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Rotation is the game to play! - 04-18-2005, 01:50 AM

Let's all play rotation -- a way better game than 7-, 9-, or 10-ball! Eight ball is fine, too, but I think rotation should be the game of choice of serious pool players. Now if only someone would sponsor the tournament.....

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04-18-2005, 06:14 AM

Yes. . . you go ahead and find someone to sponsor TV matches for rotation. Just don't tell them how long a game can take.
  
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04-18-2005, 12:26 PM

Put up the money and I will stake Efren. He would rob everyone at that game. He is the best in the World at it.
  
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04-20-2005, 09:33 PM

i think if efren will commit to play sponsors will come. but then again, who would want to play against him in rotation? maybe it's a bad idea after all.....
  
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04-20-2005, 09:57 PM

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i think if efren will commit to play sponsors will come. but then again, who would want to play against him in rotation? maybe it's a bad idea after all.....
Antonio Lining plays Efren rotation even, and he wins sometimes.
  
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04-21-2005, 05:42 AM

Why is the length of the game always a issue. In 9 ball after a game or a break there will be a commerical. When the game resumes the announcer will say because of time restraints we have edited the match. What did they cut out, good safety play or the loser running a few racks?

No matter what game they show on TV all of the strategy or safeties will be cut out so they can show balls dropping into the pockets, or a jump shot.
  
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04-21-2005, 07:15 AM

In a recent thread that got all kinds of different opinions regarding what can be done about improving 9ball, I'd like to state the first thing that can be done with Rotation is change the method for scoring. I know it's the way the game is played and has been that way forever, but it just never made sense.
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04-21-2005, 07:24 AM

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Let's all play rotation -- a way better game than 7-, 9-, or 10-ball! Eight ball is fine, too, but I think rotation should be the game of choice of serious poo players. Now if only someone would sponsor the tournament.....
The problem with rotation games is shot selection is pretty much taken out of the equation. This, imho, takes the most fun out of playing or watching the game.

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04-21-2005, 08:33 AM

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The problem with rotation games is shot selection is pretty much taken out of the equation. This, imho, takes the most fun out of playing or watching the game.

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This is a brutal game. You can make it more difficult by requiring the players to shoot their chosen group of balls in rotational order. You might even add the "Last Pocket" requirement for the 8-Ball

Try this game. It is lots of fun. It is also a great gambling game. The break shot is extremely imporatant in this game




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This is a brutal game. You can make it more difficult by requiring the players to shoot their chosen group of balls in rotational order. You might even add the "Last Pocket" requirement for the 8-Ball

Try this game. It is lots of fun. It is also a great gambling game. The break shot is extremely imporatant in this game
Damn that sounds like a sweet game. Short rack eightball played in rotation. I'm gonna have to give that one a try. Easy to handicap too. I run mine in rotation you run yours hoowerver you want. Not as many blocking balls, etc. I'm gonna play this one with my girlfriend and see how it goes. GREAT GAME CHARLIE.


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04-21-2005, 10:47 AM

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I like playing "Short Rack 8-Ball'
(4 stripes, 4 solids & the 8 ball-racked like 9 Ball)
This is a brutal game. You can make it more difficult by requiring the players to shoot their chosen group of balls in rotational order. You might even add the "Last Pocket" requirement for the 8-Ball

Try this game. It is lots of fun. It is also a great gambling game. The break shot is extremely imporatant in this game

How do you play the 8 on the break if it pockets? (what the hell...since this is a made up game I guess I can make up my OWN rules regarding that)
  
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04-21-2005, 10:58 AM

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Damn that sounds like a sweet game. Short rack eightball played in rotation. I'm gonna have to give that one a try. Easy to handicap too. I run mine in rotation you run yours hoowerver you want. Not as many blocking balls, etc. I'm gonna play this one with my girlfriend and see how it goes. GREAT GAME CHARLIE.
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We played the "Short Rack 8-Ball Tournament", on a 7' Valley, around here for 6 weeks. The first week I didn't know about & I was out of town.

The second week through the 6th week, I won the tournaments. The 7th week no one wanted to play... reason being >>>>
"We can't win, Charley Bond's Break is too strong". Now that is a compliment.

I ran so many racks, I surprised myself. But, running the rack in "Short Rack 8-Ball" isn't too big a feat, when you make 2-3 balls on the break. I guess that was one of finest hours. People were hollering "The BreakRAK is working"...they also holler "The BreakRAK ain't working" when I don't do well.

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04-21-2005, 11:53 AM

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Antonio Lining plays Efren rotation even, and he wins sometimes.

I heard the same is true with Lee Van Corteza, but we all know that in the long run Efren will come out ahead.
  
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I heard the same is true with Lee Van Corteza, but we all know that in the long run Efren will come out ahead.
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No, we all don't know that (at least I don't). Rotation is just another stupid "rotation" game, just a few (?) more balls. When the last 2 balls count 10 times more than the first 2, the chance for luck to rear its ugly head is maximized. This is the same reason Efren doesn't even come close to winning every tournament. This is the same reason Earl and Efren (and probably any of the top 20 or 30 players would do the same) came out even when playing the "Color of Money" series - 9-ball does NOT let the best player always win, it gives all the really good players an equal chance - coin flipping would be just as meaningful among these players. Rotation games are a great exhibition of skill, but a terrible way to differentiate good players. Give us straight pool to 300 or 500 and we might have the same winner every week. A nice dynasty would be good for pool (I think).
  
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04-21-2005, 05:15 PM

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No, we all don't know that (at least I don't). Rotation is just another stupid "rotation" game, just a few (?) more balls. When the last 2 balls count 10 times more than the first 2, the chance for luck to rear its ugly head is maximized. This is the same reason Efren doesn't even come close to winning every tournament. This is the same reason Earl and Efren (and probably any of the top 20 or 30 players would do the same) came out even when playing the "Color of Money" series - 9-ball does NOT let the best player always win, it gives all the really good players an equal chance - coin flipping would be just as meaningful among these players. Rotation games are a great exhibition of skill, but a terrible way to differentiate good players. Give us straight pool to 300 or 500 and we might have the same winner every week. A nice dynasty would be good for pool (I think).
Agree with you about rotation, but the one thing we disagree on is the need for a long straight pool race to get the cream to rise to the top. When 14.1 is played on tight equipment, a race to 150, as evidenced by the results of the world championships in the golden age of straight pool, is plenty long enough to ensure that the cream will rise to the top.
  
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