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APA is not a Ripoff - 05-19-2009, 10:23 PM

I just went and saw Star Trek and really enjoyed it until I left and THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME ANY MONEY BACK! These cheap pyamid theaters are robbing us!!!! Yes the majority of the money goes back to the originators/investors of the movie and those damn theaters keep the rest AND I DON'T GET BACK A DIME!!! What a ripoff.

Why is it in pool that the better you are the more you expect something back from a league or pool room? If you want to make money in pool go gamble or play in tournaments. People who complain about paying 6.00 - 10.00 to play in a league ARE NITS!! You should keep your money and quit whinning about it. You will feel better.

I play in the APA because its fun and entertaining and I have a good time with my wife and friends. I don't do it for money - I have a job for that.


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05-19-2009, 10:46 PM

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I just went and saw Star Trek and really enjoyed it until I left and THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME ANY MONEY BACK! These cheap pyamid theaters are robbing us!!!! Yes the majority of the money goes back to the originators/investors of the movie and those damn theaters keep the rest AND I DON'T GET BACK A DIME!!! What a ripoff.

Why is it in pool that the better you are the more you expect something back from a league or pool room? If you want to make money in pool go gamble or play in tournaments. People who complain about paying 6.00 - 10.00 to play in a league ARE NITS!! You should keep you money and quit whinning about it. You will feel better.

I play in the APA because its fun and entertaining and I have a good time with my wife and friends. I don't do it for money - I have a job for that.
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Said it before. Sayin' it again........... - 05-19-2009, 11:00 PM

I enjoy the APA for a variety of reasons. It is not the devil it is made out to be sometimes. It may not be for everyone, but it has its place in the pool world.


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05-19-2009, 11:35 PM

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I just went and saw Star Trek and really enjoyed it until I left and THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME ANY MONEY BACK! These cheap pyamid theaters are robbing us!!!! Yes the majority of the money goes back to the originators/investors of the movie and those damn theaters keep the rest AND I DON'T GET BACK A DIME!!! What a ripoff.

Why is it in pool that the better you are the more you expect something back from a league or pool room? If you want to make money in pool go gamble or play in tournaments. People who complain about paying 6.00 - 10.00 to play in a league ARE NITS!! You should keep your money and quit whinning about it. You will feel better.

I play in the APA because its fun and entertaining and I have a good time with my wife and friends. I don't do it for money - I have a job for that.

I agree, different leagues have different pros and cons. The biggest con of the APA is the payout, however, i'm like you, i do it for the fun and not the pay.

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apa stinks - 05-20-2009, 12:04 AM

i joined 2 apa teams and was told i needed to sandbag,, i refused and quit...


apa is for cheaters,,

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05-20-2009, 02:01 AM

I hate APA, I can always tell the APA player from the APA player that sandbags. The APA player looks like an amature and the APA sand bagger looks like a BCA player. I play BCA. Just my .02 cents. As far as payment It would be nice to see good players make a living at pool. However in todays world it is very difficult.
  
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05-20-2009, 04:03 AM

[QUOTE=rbpwrd240;1829640]. The APA player looks like an amature and the APA sand bagger looks like a BCA player. I play BCA.
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i joined 2 apa teams and was told i needed to sandbag,, i refused and quit...


apa is for cheaters,,

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That is a valid point, but a much different one than the original whine about the payouts.


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05-20-2009, 05:31 AM

I'm a realistic guy too. I play pool in leagues because I enjoy the friendships that come about and I LOVE to play the game. If I was doing it for the money, I'd be living on the streets. I don't play in leagues to make a profit, often I get back more than I put in but that is just a bonus to me, not my motivation to play.

Do I like APA? NO, but that's not what this is about.. I find it hard to take being run out 3 consecutive racks by a SL3, when I am a 7 but would not mind another 6 or 7 doing it to me.. I was too told that I need to sandbag, which I politely refuse to do. Integrity is more important to me than a few more bucks and a plastic trophy that collects dust. That's why I like the BCA and VNEA, and we have AA leagues in my area for the competetive players, which I like a lot.

IMHO, league operators are in it to make a profit, I believe it must be a lot of work and I would not want to deal with the headaches of all of the beyotching and moaning. That's my take on it, no whining from me!
  
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i joined 2 apa teams and was told i needed to sandbag,, i refused and quit...


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That is a problem with your TEAM CAPTAIN, not the league.

Any handicapped league will have sandbaggers.

My team does not sandbag.
  
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05-20-2009, 05:42 AM

APA discourages improvement.

APA is for casual players not looking to get better, but to enjoy the social scene while banging balls around.

APA Masters is for players and is a pretty sweet deal if you find one that stays at one good pool hall instead of travelling.

BCA is better than APA Masters (at least in the VA Beach area) because it pays better and offers a higher caliber of competition.

APA=Mostly social
BCA=Mostly competitive

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IMHO, league operators are in it to make a profit, I believe it must be a lot of work and I would not want to deal with the headaches of all of the beyotching and moaning. That's my take on it, no whining from me!
Just look at all the complaining about APA that goes on right here. Now imagine what kind of crap a LO has to put up with. In my opinion, they probably don't make enough. But I'm glad we have someone in our area who is willing to do it!

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05-20-2009, 06:22 AM

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I just went and saw Star Trek and really enjoyed it until I left and THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME ANY MONEY BACK! These cheap pyamid theaters are robbing us!!!! Yes the majority of the money goes back to the originators/investors of the movie and those damn theaters keep the rest AND I DON'T GET BACK A DIME!!! What a ripoff.

Why is it in pool that the better you are the more you expect something back from a league or pool room? If you want to make money in pool go gamble or play in tournaments. People who complain about paying 6.00 - 10.00 to play in a league ARE NITS!! You should keep your money and quit whinning about it. You will feel better.

I play in the APA because its fun and entertaining and I have a good time with my wife and friends. I don't do it for money - I have a job for that.
I can't seem to stay out of these APA threads. But anyhow, here's my take:

IMO, the APA is not a ripoff. What it is though is a league for the less-serious minded pool players of varying skill levels to get out of the house for an evening or two to socialize with friends all the while enjoying a pastime/hobby/sport that they love. My wife and I have immensely enjoyed the APA leagues that we have been a part of. We have made lots of friends, some of which we see outside of the poolroom/bar. We watch far less television and spend less time in our reclining chairs. The APA is not a league for the hard-core player expecting to profit from his or her success. Yes, there is the "chance" to go to Vegas, but other than that (and I for one don't give a rats-ass if I ever go to Vegas) the only thing a successful player can expect is a buttload of patches and a small payout for a division MVP award. The APA does serve a purpose for the beginning player or one whose skill level hasn't reached (or may never reach) their full potential. I do not at this time play in a more competive league, but at some time in the future I want to. But I will still play in an APA league with my wife and friends for a more relaxing experience and still get some decent table time. The APA is not for everyone. Yes, there is sandbagging, but look me in the eye and tell me other leagues don't have sandbaggers. What about road players/hustlers? Isn't their success based on the fact that they have to sandbag (i.e. "hustle") to make money?The APA is not a perfect system. It will not put food on your table nor will it pad your wallet. It's all about the fun baby, and if you're not having fun, then don't play in it. There are certainly other choices out there (none of which are perfect systems either btw). The APA has a place in the pool scene. It is basically just the first stepping stone into the pool league lifestyle. Some move on, others don't and never will. Six bucks per match and a handful of quarters for the boxes (barbox and jukebox), plus a sawbuck or two for a few Crown Royal's and Corona's, all for a night of enjoyment and fun IMO does not amount to a "rip-off".

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05-20-2009, 06:54 AM

I play APA and I am starting to enjoy it less and less each day. The constant rule book thumpers. The bad sportsmanship and sharking whether it is intentional or whether the opposing team or player is too ignorant to know what they are doing is wrong. The horrible playing conditions at certain hosting locations. The unending hipocrasy from local league offices regarding banned players and reinstated players. The sandbagging. The rating system that would work great if there wasn't sandbaggers.

I'm a 7 in apa 8ball and I go from between a 7 and 8 in apa 9ball. While that is good for league standards, it's just mediocre when it comes to real pool. The only reason I continue to play in league is that it's only 7 bucks that night if I shoot and it's decent competition. I can't afford to quit league and play for money all the time. Sure I will come out ahead sometimes, but most of the time I will come out behind.

So I stay in the apa just for the cheap competition. I'm not sure how much longer that will last. If I get a trip to vegas out of it, then great. Sure I put enough money into the league to pay for a trip at least 3 times, but i dont look at it that way. Where else can you play someone of your caliber who most of the time is really trying to win for their team and for only 7 bucks other then TAP or BCA?

Along the lines of the other 2 leagues. Our local BCA league has worse sportsmanship then the APA, and the TAP has player skill levels so ****ed up that you would be better off just making the entire league even races. In our area, the APA is the better of all 3 evils and it still isn't great.

So to sum up. I dont consider the APA a rip-off because Im getting out of it exactly what I want to.


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I just went and saw Star Trek and really enjoyed it until I left and THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME ANY MONEY BACK!
That was never part of the deal to begin with, so it's irrelevant to how the APA works.

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These cheap pyamid theaters are robbing us!!!!
The movie industry is robbing people by mass plagiarism. Almost every movie made nowadays is a plagiarized remake of something. This has nothing to do with the APA, but I just felt like getting that in. The APA is also robbing people by taking in a lot of revenue and giving back a very small percentage of what they take in.

The APA basically is a pyramid scheme with its 23 rule. It's impossible to keep a 8 player team together for long, as it forces teams to split up and start new teams. The pyramid scheme part has nothing to do with the movie industry analogy.

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Yes the majority of the money goes back to the originators/investors of the movie and those damn theaters keep the rest AND I DON'T GET BACK A DIME!!! What a ripoff.
I don't think the majority of the money goes back to the originators of one of these plagiarized remakes like the latest Star Trek movie. How much is William Shatner getting? How much are the original Star Trek originators getting? The stakeholders of course are making a lot of money. There was never ever any claim or agreement that you were going to get any money just for purchasing a movie ticket. Therefore, it's irrelevant to your APA analogy. The APA does not give back the majority of its revenue back to the originators/investors, that being the league players who pay their weekly and annual dues. Your analogy seems pointless.


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Why is it in pool that the better you are the more you expect something back from a league or pool room?
The same reason 1st place in a tournament pays more than 4th place or 8th place. The same reason that that if you pay $100 buy in and finish in the money, you expect more back than if you pay $10 buy in and finish in the money. The same reason that if you gamble and bet $100 on yourself, you expect to get back more than if you bet $10 on yourself.

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If you want to make money in pool go gamble or play in tournaments. People who complain about paying 6.00 - 10.00 to play in a league ARE NITS!! You should keep your money and quit whinning about it. You will feel better.

I play in the APA because its fun and entertaining and I have a good time with my wife and friends. I don't do it for money - I have a job for that.
I play in the APA too, and it is fun and entertaining. $6 to $10 per week is a pretty low entertainment expense too. I don't do it for the money either, but the APA is awfully greedy in how much money they take in compared to how much they give back. This is one of the major complaints that people have about the APA.
  
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