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GTF Cue fitting problem. - 05-25-2009, 09:45 AM

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So I caved and tried to load the GTF case. However, it's not long enough? I thought they were supposed to be able to load up to 32" easy! I measured my shaft and with JP its 31. But the lid wont fit on easily. When latched it's exerting pressure on the shaft! Whats going on





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05-25-2009, 10:27 AM

I'm having the same problem too! My cue's butt is about 31 inches long with jp, and it simply wouldn't fit.. In fact I tried so hard that the top of the cap came off, but I popped it right back in.. Now I simply put it in without jp, I'm not worrying that much though, the case seems to be quite solidly built..
  
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05-25-2009, 03:08 PM

Mine fits but it's clearly exerting force on the shaft... Something im a little worried about. I may try to rip the padding off the lid. That extra bit should be enough for me.





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05-25-2009, 03:10 PM

Easy fix, get an Engles.


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05-25-2009, 03:31 PM

Easy fix, get a Talisman, my 31 inch butt with joint protectors will fit in my Talisman Tribal 3x5 with room to spare. I think other model Talisman case have room for a 31" or longer butt or shaft also. Which brings up the question of why so many players that would benefit from a 60" or longer cue use a 58" cue and grip it at the butt cap, crimping their stroke.
  
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05-25-2009, 05:12 PM

Haha.. that's not the best solution but it is one I guess.

However, I found that there is some foam in the cap. That foam is then layered with a small bit of adhesive and then covered with a leather pad. I removed that leather pad, taking a little bit of the foam with it. But it now fits perfectly. Even at 31" and just fitting perfectly, the cap will never be crushed into the cue/shaft. So that's my solution. Hope that helps weesang. Oh, and mine is a replica. Not the prestige so I'm not sure how different your cap is.





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05-25-2009, 05:51 PM

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I'm having the same problem too! My cue's butt is about 31 inches long with jp, and it simply wouldn't fit.. In fact I tried so hard that the top of the cap came off, but I popped it right back in.. Now I simply put it in without jp, I'm not worrying that much though, the case seems to be quite solidly built..
That's one of the down falls to using a longer cue. i think another option would be to hit up John Barton (he makes GTF cases right?) and see if he'll make you a custom lid. maybe he or another case maker could make you another lid that's a little longer. or maybe you could find a ron thomas or something that has the extra length for a storage compartment in the lid that'll fit your case

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05-25-2009, 05:53 PM

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Easy fix, get a Talisman, my 31 inch butt with joint protectors will fit in my Talisman Tribal 3x5 with room to spare. I think other model Talisman case have room for a 31" or longer butt or shaft also. Which brings up the question of why so many players that would benefit from a 60" or longer cue use a 58" cue and grip it at the butt cap, crimping their stroke.
i've heard bad things about talisman cases. i hear they don't provide as much padding as GTF or instroke.
  
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That's one of the down falls to using a longer cue. i think another option would be to hit up John Barton (he makes GTF cases right?) and see if he'll make you a custom lid. maybe he or another case maker could make you another lid that's a little longer. or maybe you could find a ron thomas or something that has the extra length for a storage compartment in the lid that'll fit your case

i'd hit up john though and see if he'd make you another lid
Good luck with that.... I tried to go down that road and it was a dead end.
  
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05-25-2009, 07:41 PM

This would only happen to you ben...

I believe you, knocked my sweet SWEET soft case, which held every cue no problem so far.

Let me know how you make out with this. I may have a spare solution for you.

  
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05-25-2009, 08:22 PM

There was a Ron Thomas a few weeks back that was specifically made with a long cap to hold a towel inside of the cap with the cue. This would have allowed any longer cues plenty of room with joint protectors. JB is more than willing to take special orders for GTF cases also. I'm sure that both can do something to accommodate.
  
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05-25-2009, 10:56 PM

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Bencho, the case should fit 31" easily. There is a misprint on the CueSight website stating that the case fits 32". That will be corrected.

I just spent about 30 minutes testing the case capacity to be sure of what I am going to say here. It was mentioned that one should purchase an Engles to "solve" this problem.

The cases I have for testing is a GTF Storage case 2x4 with no pockets and an Engles 1x2 that I purchased on AZ.

I will post pictures a little later along with a short video I just did.

I used a Sneaky Pete that measured 31.5" with a joint protector and I taped another joint protector to it to make it a total of just over 32".

The results are that the GTF case was able to close and stay closed with the 32" length cue butt inside and the Engles could not close and was lacking just over 1"

All of the cases we build are meant to hold up to 31.5". GTF claims 31" just to be on the safe side.

If there is a problem where the case is not holding a 31" total length part easily then we need to look at why this is and not just assume that the cases are all that way. The case must be loaded a certain way in order to insure that all parts fit. That could be a problem. There could also be a problem with the liner being twisted or pinched and thereby not allowing the cue part to go down as far as it should be able to.

I will be glad to troubleshoot any such problems. I do however want to clear up any misconceptions about what the official and real capacity of a GTF case is.

It is 31"

Also it is very important that I clear up any misconception that the snugness of the case can harm the cue. There is no way that the shaft can be bent when it is stored in a GTF case properly. The lid does not and cannot exert enough pressure to bend the shaft.

In every GTF case there is about a half an inch of foam rubber padding in the top and in the bottom of the case. This padding is there to allow the cue to be held snugly in the vertical position and reduce excess movement.

IT is 100% impossible for the case to exert enough pressure to warp or bend a shaft or butt.

Try this simple experiment. Put the tip of your shaft against something hard like the carpet and push straight down on it from joint section. You cannot bend it easily. Turn the shaft over and do the same thing. You will quickly see that you must exert much more force than the case is putting on the shaft and you still will not be able to bend the shaft.

The parts in a GTF case are held in a cushioned environment - the force is very gentle and any resistance comes from the foam rubber padding and is not harmful to any part of the cue.

Anyway, that is the correct information regarding this issue. As I said I will edit this to upload pictures and a link to the video when I am able to upload them.

Pictures:

#1: This picture shows that the two cases are nearly the same height and that the lip of the body is at nearly the same height. It also shows that the cues are of normal length of about 30" total from bumper to tip. The sneaky pete shown is at 31.5" - later for the video I taped another JP to it upside down to make a 32" length.


#2. This picture shows the standard length cues in both cases and that both of them allow the cues to sit naturally at roughly the same height. In the video I show the compression of the GTF case that gives the cues another .5" of padding at the bottom.


#3. This picture shows that the lids are roughly the same size and that the Engles has about 1/4" more room in it than the GTF when the foam rubber in the GTF lid is not compressed. When the foam is compressed than the GTF has more room.


The next edit will be to provide a link to the video demonstration because that is the only way to show that the same cue at 32" WILL FIT in the GTF but NOT in the Engles.




John Barton - maker of GTF cases.

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05-25-2009, 11:11 PM

Regarding after market lids. Every tube and every piece of leather is different. When we cut the tube to make the lid and the body we insure that those two parts are married for life. Trust me when I tell you that it's nearly impossible to get any two extruded tube parts to match up perfectly flush. At least for these tubes it is. I'd be willing to bet a lot that every maker of this style of case cuts the tube and marks it so that the pieces fit back together the same way every time.

Leather is another issue. Within one hide the thickness of leather can vary substantially up to half a millimeter. So again when the leather is cut for the cap and body it is marked to insure that it goes back together exactly on the cut line.

It would be nearly impossible to simply make another lid and have it fit flush to the body.

The best solution to get a longer case is to have it made from scratch.

We can make the GTF case any length. We buy the tubes precut to a 2.5meter length and cut them as needed.

I made them to be able to fit 31.5" as I do with all of our cases.

If there is an issue where this length does not fit then either the case is defective or it's not being loaded properly.

As of now, I can guarantee that we can process any custom GTF orders fairly quickly.

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I believe you, knocked my sweet SWEET soft case, which held every cue no problem so far.

Let me know how you make out with this. I may have a spare solution for you.

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Bencho, the case should fit 31" easily. There is a misprint on the CueSight website stating that the case fits 32". That will be corrected.

I just spent about 30 minutes testing the case capacity to be sure of what I am going to say here. It was mentioned that one should purchase an Engles to "solve" this problem.

The cases I have for testing is a GTF Storage case 2x4 with no pockets and an Engles 1x2 that I purchased on AZ.

I will post pictures a little later along with a short video I just did.

I used a Sneaky Pete that measured 31.5" with a joint protector and I taped another joint protector to it to make it a total of just over 32".

The results are that the GTF case was able to close and stay closed with the 32" length cue butt inside and the Engles could not close and was lacking just over 1"

All of the cases we build are meant to hold up to 31.5". GTF claims 31" just to be on the safe side.

If there is a problem where the case is not holding a 31" total length part easily then we need to look at why this is and not just assume that the cases are all that way. The case must be loaded a certain way in order to insure that all parts fit. That could be a problem. There could also be a problem with the liner being twisted or pinched and thereby not allowing the cue part to go down as far as it should be able to.

I will be glad to troubleshoot any such problems. I do however want to clear up any misconceptions about what the official and real capacity of a GTF case is.

It is 31"

Also it is very important that I clear up any misconception that the snugness of the case can harm the cue. There is no way that the shaft can be bent when it is stored in a GTF case properly. The lid does not and cannot exert enough pressure to bend the shaft.

In every GTF case there is about a half an inch of foam rubber padding in the top and in the bottom of the case. This padding is there to allow the cue to be held snugly in the vertical position and reduce excess movement.

IT is 100% impossible for the case to exert enough pressure to warp or bend a shaft or butt.

Try this simple experiment. Put the tip of your shaft against something hard like the carpet and push straight down on it from joint section. You cannot bend it easily. Turn the shaft over and do the same thing. You will quickly see that you must exert much more force than the case is putting on the shaft and you still will not be able to bend the shaft.

The parts in a GTF case are held in a cushioned environment - the force is very gentle and any resistance comes from the foam rubber padding and is not harmful to any part of the cue.

Anyway, that is the correct information regarding this issue. As I said I will edit this to upload pictures and a link to the video when I am able to upload them.

Pictures:

#1: This picture shows that the two cases are nearly the same height and that the lip of the body is at nearly the same height. It also shows that the cues are of normal length of about 30" total from bumper to tip. The sneaky pete shown is at 31.5" - later for the video I taped another JP to it upside down to make a 32" length.


#2. This picture shows the standard length cues in both cases and that both of them allow the cues to sit naturally at roughly the same height. In the video I show the compression of the GTF case that gives the cues another .5" of padding at the bottom.


#3. This picture shows that the lids are roughly the same size and that the Engles has about 1/4" more room in it than the GTF when the foam rubber in the GTF lid is not compressed. When the foam is compressed than the GTF has more room.


The next edit will be to provide a link to the video demonstration because that is the only way to show that the same cue at 32" WILL FIT in the GTF but NOT in the Engles.




John Barton - maker of GTF cases.
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