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Frustration with LD shafts - 10-24-2010, 12:22 PM

Why is it that when shooting with ld shafts one goes through periods they can't pocket a ball if their life depended on it. That one would be me.
Isn't the margin of error less? I can use my good ol' trusty solid maple shafts and be right back in the swing of things.
Yet I keep trying and go back to my ld's.
Just wondering if anyone else experiences this also. And yet I can't just give up using them, they do "appear" to assist in making some great shots and giving me fantastic position.
Then it's always the shot that shouldn't be missed, yet I miss rediculously and could swear I hit it perfect.
  
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10-24-2010, 04:05 PM

I had simulor results except I. Went from a z2 to a older 314 and I improved in my consisity of pocketing balls. I do not know if the little fatter shaft helped or if it was just a mental issue.


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10-24-2010, 04:14 PM

For your standard every day run-of-the-mill shots the bigger the tip the greater your margin for error.


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10-24-2010, 05:18 PM

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For your standard every day run-of-the-mill shots the bigger the tip the greater your margin for error.
For me it worked the other way around


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10-24-2010, 06:02 PM

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For me it worked the other way around
i used to be the same way. now i really prefer thicket tips.
  
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For me it worked the other way around
Cool! the laws of physics must not apply where you live.


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10-24-2010, 10:53 PM

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Cool! the laws of physics must not apply where you live.
Pretty neat huh? When I switched to the bigger shaft I was-am more consistent then with the thinner of the two. I can play with the z2 but when I'm on I'm on and when I'm off I'm WAY off but with the 314 if I'm off I can get back instroke. Maybe it is a mental issue or I duno but it works.


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10-25-2010, 04:42 AM

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Pretty neat huh? When I switched to the bigger shaft I was-am more consistent then with the thinner of the two. I can play with the z2 but when I'm on I'm on and when I'm off I'm WAY off but with the 314 if I'm off I can get back instroke. Maybe it is a mental issue or I duno but it works.
It's because the smaller diameter tip is going to be less forgiving of errors in your stroke. If you aren't in stroke, the smaller tip of the z2 will magnify the minutest of tip placement issues. That's probably what you're experiencing with the more forgiving nature of the larger tip diameter in the 314. For what it's worth, I feel the same way, though my issue with the z2 stems from my dislike of the straight taper; I don't bridge as cleanly with it, and thus any mistakes in my stroke are magnified.
  
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10-26-2010, 05:13 AM

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For me it worked the other way around
that's the way it is supposed to be really. The smaller the tip, the harder to hit the center.

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could you elaborate on that? Which physics applies to your area?
  
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10-26-2010, 06:39 AM

I REALLY want to see a detailed argument that proves tip diameter effects accuracy. Please take a moment to explain this theory of physics. The diameters we are talking about are 11.75mm (Z2 & OB2) to 13mm (typical for a new, traditional shaft)...that's barely a 10% difference.


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10-26-2010, 06:49 AM

This issue should be more about preference than physics laws. There are guys that can play great with thin shafts, fat shafts, L/D, and everything in between. Give the shaft a fair chance, and make your decisions based on your own results. All you will get from others are mixed opinions.
  
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10-26-2010, 07:19 AM

The difference is primarily in the quality of the stroke, not in the shaft diameter.

If you have a good, clean stroke and can hit dead center (or any other spot) exactly when and as you want, then the thinner shaft may be what you want.

If your stroke is off, even in the most minute amount, that will be magnified by the thinner shaft, leading to much more spin than desired, missed shots, etc.

A 1mm difference in shaft size makes a lot of difference, especially when you have poor aim or stroke.

As for missing with low-deflection shafts versus solid maple, I know a lot of players who have gone back to good, solid maple shafts and have tossed the "low-deflection" shafts. It is really tough to beat a top quality custom shaft made from a good piece of wood.

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10-26-2010, 07:48 AM

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I REALLY want to see a detailed argument that proves tip diameter effects accuracy. Please take a moment to explain this theory of physics. The diameters we are talking about are 11.75mm (Z2 & OB2) to 13mm (typical for a new, traditional shaft)...that's barely a 10% difference.
I had to green this post. I ain't no rocket scientist myself(but I did work at a rocket motor maker!), but I gotta label this one as possible BS!!


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10-26-2010, 08:24 AM

It will make a difference if you're not as consistent with your tip position contact on the cue ball. You can get unexpected spin velocity with a smaller tip if you aren't careful. You can have the same issue with a larger tip, of course - but not to quite the same extent.


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