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Amsterdam Billiards history? - 02-09-2006, 08:27 AM

Word is out that their lease is up, the landlord is asking for the usual astronomical sum and that they'll probably shut down. Anybody know the rest of the deal?

If it's true, it's a typical NYC story. This is what always kills off your favorite neighborhood _____ (bar, restaurant, bookstore). But never your favorite bank, McDonald's, chain drugstore or overpriced boutique.
  
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02-09-2006, 08:36 AM

while we're on the subject, anybody know why the east side location shut down last year too?


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02-09-2006, 09:16 AM

From what one of the employees told me (no names), they aren't gonna shut down. That's already happened to the east side, what's gonna happen is that they will relocate to a downtown location. They're not sure when but might be within the year. They might be going to a chelsea location. That's cool with me man, I live in brooklyn, quicker train ride home.

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Word is out that their lease is up, the landlord is asking for the usual astronomical sum and that they'll probably shut down. Anybody know the rest of the deal?

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02-09-2006, 09:19 AM

The east side closed down due to lease being up. Landlord wanted a ridiculous increase, so it was shut down completely. From what I understand the supposed new renters spoke with someone from amsterdam about why they were closing down after so many years. When they found out what the landlord did, they decided on going elsewhere leaving the landlord screwed. Good for his ass, thats what the greedy bastard gets. I've heard that the location is still empty even now.

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while we're on the subject, anybody know why the east side location shut down last year too?


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02-09-2006, 09:28 AM

I heard they have found a new spot in "Hell's Kitchen" which they will move to.

Hell's Kitchen used to be refer to the West Side of manhattan around 20th St. Now HK is located on the West Side around the mid 40's i'd say.
  
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02-09-2006, 09:33 AM

I surely hope they move rather than just vanish from the scene. Downtown west would fill a void, too. But it would be a shame for the upper West and East Sides. Still, only God, pre-2000 buyers and the rent-controlled can live up there anymore.

And it wouldn't surprise me if the greedy landlord is making a bad bet, because it looks like the real estate bubble may be leaking big-time even now.

They could move 43 blocks straight downtown onto Tenth Ave. and I'd have to become a regular again ... hell I could stop in on my dinner break at work in that case.

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Abc - 02-09-2006, 10:03 AM

The present landlord who owns the building with Amstrdam and the equinox gym, and the landlord that owns the garage next door, SOLD the buildings to a large real estate developer who intends on erecting a massive residential/hotel on that site.

ABC had several years left on it's lease and came to terms for a buyout on their remaining time.

ABC is presently looking into a few different locations and will NOT shut down, but will relocate within the next 12-18 months.

This is accurate info, direct from the owner, not conjecture.

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02-09-2006, 12:37 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. Info I heard mentioned condos, but no word on a buyout, etc. Hope move goes smoothly, then.
  
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02-09-2006, 05:16 PM

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Word is out that their lease is up, the landlord is asking for the usual astronomical sum and that they'll probably shut down. Anybody know the rest of the deal?

If it's true, it's a typical NYC story. This is what always kills off your favorite neighborhood _____ (bar, restaurant, bookstore). But never your favorite bank, McDonald's, chain drugstore or overpriced boutique.

NOPE...they got kicked out when someone bought the block. i don't believe there's such a thing as a 16 year lease. "lease was up" sounds better than getting the boot.
  
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02-12-2006, 04:42 AM

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The east side closed down due to lease being up. Landlord wanted a ridiculous increase, so it was shut down completely. From what I understand the supposed new renters spoke with someone from amsterdam about why they were closing down after so many years. When they found out what the landlord did, they decided on going elsewhere leaving the landlord screwed. Good for his ass, thats what the greedy bastard gets. I've heard that the location is still empty even now.

Actually, this is not the case. The lease was not up. There was a dispute with the landlord which had nothing to do with an increase. The new tenant-to-be apparently did find out what had happened but did not find out from the owners of Amsterdam. From what I understand, there is far more to the story than even I know and I was a manager there.


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02-12-2006, 04:47 AM

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The present landlord who owns the building with Amstrdam and the equinox gym, and the landlord that owns the garage next door, SOLD the buildings to a large real estate developer who intends on erecting a massive residential/hotel on that site.

ABC had several years left on it's lease and came to terms for a buyout on their remaining time.

ABC is presently looking into a few different locations and will NOT shut down, but will relocate within the next 12-18 months.

This is accurate info, direct from the owner, not conjecture.

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This information is entirely accurate. I've spoken to the owners several times about it and although they have looked at several locations, no announcements have been made as yet. It will be further downtown from my understanding but not necessarily "downtown". The owners simply won't say anything specific (at least, not to me) other than the above and that it will probably be bigger than the current space which I'm very excited about.


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02-12-2006, 06:45 AM

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Actually, this is not the case. The lease was not up. There was a dispute with the landlord which had nothing to do with an increase. The new tenant-to-be apparently did find out what had happened but did not find out from the owners of Amsterdam. From what I understand, there is far more to the story than even I know and I was a manager there.
it makes me laugh when I pass by the old eastside amsterdam and see that after 2yrs that it still hasn't been rented out yet , but I guess with the extra 3 stories they put on the building there still holding out for that rent($30,000 a month) "I was told" they want, it's amazing how these real estate owners can keep the doors shut and keep a firm price on rent, I see alot of places around where as they seem they won't settle for lesser rent and get it rented, I know when people break a lease for rent they are responcible for it until they get another renter and if they don't like you there'll take there time getting another renter for it.

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This information is entirely accurate. I've spoken to the owners several times about it and although they have looked at several locations, no announcements have been made as yet. It will be further downtown from my understanding but not necessarily "downtown". The owners simply won't say anything specific (at least, not to me) other than the above and that it will probably be bigger than the current space which I'm very excited about.

I hope they pick an area where parking is availabile!


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I hope they pick an area where parking is availabile!
That pretty much rules out Manhattan!
  
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02-12-2006, 09:21 AM

If Amsterdam Billiards is history in its current location, the tradition goes on.

The locker in which I keep my cue came up for renewal a couple of weeks ago. I generally take the two year deal because it costs less per year.

I know that wherever the new Amsterdam Billiard Club will be located, I'll be one of its players. And so, knowing in full that Amsterdam will not be in its current location for much longer, I renewed my cue locker rental for two years.

Amsterdam Billiard Club is a winning tradition and I fully intend to remain part of.
  
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