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The quality of Schon cues vs the quality of Joss cues - 09-09-2013, 11:02 AM

I am sorry if this question has been asked on here many times in the past.

I am just curious if the quality of Schon cues is really any better then the quality of Joss cues.

I think that maybe the only reason that Schon cues cost more is because of the cost of the inlays that they put in their cues.

I am curious if the overall quality of Schon cues is better then Joss cues, and if the number of cues that Schon makes are more limited?

I am just mainly curious if the quality of Schon cues is really that much better then the quality of Joss cues?

I wonder if it takes longer for Schon to make a cue then the time that it takes Joss to make a cue (of around the same type, and number of inlays).

I wonder how many cues leave Schons shop per year, and how many cues leave the Joss shop per year (if that is a factor on the price difference).

Thanks for any opinions, or facts about these questions that came to my mind, and sorry if these are stupid questions.

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09-09-2013, 11:07 AM

Yes, Schon cues are a bit better built, they feel more solid. I've played with both, although only a couple of Schons and never owned one, and they have a different hit than the Joss cues, they felt more substantial somehow.

As far as prices with inlays, both Joss and Schon have basic models with no inlays, compare the prices between those models. Schon cues are pricer at each level of cue.


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09-09-2013, 11:23 AM

I've had both...both are excellent, but Schon is a cut above. Better fit and finish and more consistent between models. Schons all hit the same, good solid hit, excellent tone, great balance. Every Joss I've had hit different...not bad, usually very good, but different from cue to cue. Probably because most Schons are cored, mostly maple, Joss cues are all over the place in materials and construction. You won't go wrong with either.


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09-09-2013, 12:26 PM

Funny story, when I was in college (20 yrs or so ago) my roommate and I both had a Schon. Our other roommate bought a Joss. All I remember about that cue was that it had a terrible "ting" every time it struck the cue ball. I don't think he cared for the hit either. That was really my only experience with Joss up until about a year ago, when the roommate of mine that owned a Schon, bought a Joss. And now he loves that cue equally as well. Maybe the one 20 yrs ago was the odd ball in the bunch, but I know it just left a bad taste in my mouth......for whatever this is worth.
  
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09-09-2013, 01:25 PM

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Funny story, when I was in college (20 yrs or so ago) my roommate and I both had a Schon. Our other roommate bought a Joss. All I remember about that cue was that it had a terrible "ting" every time it struck the cue ball. I don't think he cared for the hit either. That was really my only experience with Joss up until about a year ago, when the roommate of mine that owned a Schon, bought a Joss. And now he loves that cue equally as well. Maybe the one 20 yrs ago was the odd ball in the bunch, but I know it just left a bad taste in my mouth......for whatever this is worth.
That ting sound I have heard in several Joss cues, it was almost like a badge of honor if you could get it to sound that way. Back in the late 80s and early 90s all the good players played with a Joss and the noobs with McDermotts.


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That ting sound I have heard in several Joss cues, it was almost like a badge of honor if you could get it to sound that way. Back in the late 80s and early 90s all the good players played with a Joss and the noobs with McDermotts.
All the good players?

I know that lots of good players and pros used Joss cues during those decades, but in my experience it was more on the east coast, where they were also using lots of Scruggs, Phillippi, and others. One of my favorite cues is a 1987 Joss.

In the midwest during those years it was Meuccis and Vikings, and then Schons in the '90s.

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Well, I just wanted to post my own questions that came to mind, so I am sorry if this thread bothers you.

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All the good players?

I know that lots of good players and pros used Joss cues during those decades, but in my experience it was more on the east coast, where they were also using lots of Scruggs, Phillippi, and others. One of my favorite cues is a 1987 Joss.

In the midwest during those years it was Meuccis and Vikings, and then Schons in the '90s.

Players tend to like cues made in their part of the country.
Funny you mention those cues in the Midwest. I live and was in college in Ohio. A bunch of guys in school had Meuccis, my first cue was a Viking, then like I said I moved to a Schon.

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09-10-2013, 11:32 AM

I started playing pool as an obsession in about 1987...I had a McDermott D-9. You had two types of bangers in my area (first Georgia, then Louisiana): McDermott men and Meucci men...Ne'er the 'tween would meet. The road players all had Schons, vintage Adams, the occassional Szam. Some heavyweight players had Meuccis, too, and you'd see an occassional Scruggs or Joss West. Some heavy players in East Texas had Richard Black cues. It was a regional thing with custom cues, depended on where you were. I "graduated" to Joss after three McDermotts, had two then moved up to a custom (GEM) and finally a Schon. Now I'm a Carolina Custom guy for the time being. But tournaments in Georgia and Lousiana in the 80s were all McDermotts, Meuccis and the occassional Viking...at least among the pedestrian players.


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All the good players?

I know that lots of good players and pros used Joss cues during those decades, but in my experience it was more on the east coast, where they were also using lots of Scruggs, Phillippi, and others. One of my favorite cues is a 1987 Joss.

In the midwest during those years it was Meuccis and Vikings, and then Schons in the '90s.

Players tend to like cues made in their part of the country.
Yes, you're right, I live in the Boston area, and that whole pool scene was Joss once you got to a C+ or B level hehe. The first "name" custom I have seen and learned about was Scruggs. There were some Meuccis around and they were admired because so many of the pros used them, along with Joss.

The pool room I was at always had catalogs of cues and I would spend a lot of time looking over them, I kept lusting after the Schon cues in my teens/early 20s, and also Tim Scruggs as that was the cue that one of the first A players I met played with. Funny thing is that once I could afford either of those, I never really went after getting them


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09-10-2013, 12:30 PM

I've played with both since 1994-1995. The Joss had that "ting" I guess you would call it. More "vibrational feedback" others would call it. It was a higher deflection cue than the Schon. The Schon was more solid with correspondingly less vibration. I wouldn't say either of mine were better or worse built, but mine were on the lower end.


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The quality of Schon cues vs the quality of Joss cues - 09-10-2013, 01:52 PM

I've played with the same Schon for 22 years now. The only cues I've ever thought that outperformed it were either unaffordable at the time,or just unavailable. In other words,I wouldn't still be playing with it if I felt an available cue were head and shoulders better.

Up until I got it,I believed the most desirable cue on the planet was a Joss model 12,basically the same cue Mike Sigel played with in the mid to late 80's.

The cues Joss made back then were just BETTER than their current offerings.

I'm not dogging them at all,just the stuff they made back in the day hits and feels better to ME. Still a damn fine product,just not for me,at least without ivory ferrules.

Many people hear that healthy "ping" and think it's something negative,the cue is broken,etc. It's usually NOT.

The current Schons are just a step or 2 above a current Joss as far as playability. Resale value pushes Schon over the top. Tommy D.


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09-10-2013, 01:54 PM

I would put Schon a cut above Joss, but a solid hitting Joss will feel very similar to a Schon.

I grew up playing in Milwaukee and was friends with Bob Runde's son in college, that was my first experience hitting with a Schon. I currently own two and have had them pretty much ever since, have also owned and sold several others. My playing partner, who was second in the state at the time, had a Joss and I could hit with his cue and it felt very similar to mine. It was a very simple model, so maybe less chance for inlays or other decorations to cause any sort of noise or negative feedback. I hit with a few others over the years, nothing negative even stood out to me.

I've probably hit with 25+ Schons, they are all very consistent, although there are subtle differences between them, mostly just due to the weight differences and the overall impact on the balance. Also differences between the Runde-era cues and the current cues, but again they are both very high quality, some people may prefer one over the other. You can't go wrong with an older or newer Schon, I just don't have enough experience with a larger sample size of Joss cues to be able to say one way or the other.
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09-10-2013, 03:47 PM

I got 2 Schicks, and a Mottey, that all have a MIGHTY "PING" everytime they touch the cue ball...

And, Man, can they play...

I like my Schon's and my Joss's, to be OLD...and I mean 25+ years old...they have a similar "PING"...!!!

To me the wood they had back then hit soooooo much better than the woods they have today...

I may be wrong about the wood...but I think most any of the older cues...have a stiffer hit...depending on the taper used by the builders...

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