[JoseV]

Originally Posted by jim_vielee

As long as I can get 4 1/2 to 5 table lengths from the head spit with these new superspeeds then I'm good with that.

Is this done with a center ball hit and and hard stroke ? I tried it with a low hit and hard stroke and got 4 1/2 rails from the head spot and it the ball died right at center table.

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[jim_vielee]

Originally Posted by JoseV

Is this done with a center ball hit and and hard stroke ? I tried it with a low hit and hard stroke and got 4 1/2 rails from the head spot and it the ball died right at center table.

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What kid of table do you have?

[JoseV]

Originally Posted by jim_vielee

What kid of table do you have?

GC3, Simonis 860 with super speed cushions.

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[JoeyInCali]

Damn, trent and mark were banned.

Damn mechanic flame wars.

[Type79]

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[mchnhed]

Originally Posted by JoeyInCali

Damn, trent and mark were banned.
Damn mechanic flame wars.

Happy now?

Can you now get rid of that derogatory signature?

quote by qbilder
That's what you get for listening to that blowhard That guy takes a tiny crumb of info & next thing you know he's preaching an entire knowledge base around it. He has a well earned reputation for manipulating, twisting, playing folks against one another as if they are pawns in his personal game of chess.He does so with no regard to anybody but himself, for nothing but his own personal gain.

[JoeyInCali]

Originally Posted by mchnhed

Happy now?

YOU happy now?
I had nothing to do with their flame war.

[mchnhed]

Originally Posted by mchnhed

Happy now?

Can you now get rid of that derogatory signature?

quote by qbilder
That's what you get for listening to that blowhard That guy takes a tiny crumb of info & next thing you know he's preaching an entire knowledge base around it. He has a well earned reputation for manipulating, twisting, playing folks against one another as if they are pawns in his personal game of chess.He does so with no regard to anybody but himself, for nothing but his own personal gain.

Originally Posted by JoeyInCali

YOU happy now?
I had nothing to do with their flame war.

No, but you added gasoline and watched it burn!

[JoeyInCali]

Originally Posted by mchnhed

No, but you added gasoline and watched it burn!

That's funny. I didn't post anything in between their flame war.
And, no to your request. It's a reminder to myself not to listen to some people.
And you are starting another flame war.
Practice what you preach.

[Mr. Bond]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

Wrong, apples to oranges, but if you really played pool you'd know that, sorry for correcting you, but you ARE wrong.

Let me give you just one example of you being wrong. If you take the cue ball and shoot it the cull length of the table dead down the middle and contact the center diamond on the foot rail with either extreme 9 or 3 o'clock english/spin, you'll be able to come off the cushion at a greater angle rebounding off the Artemis cushions than you ever will coming off the superspeed cushions, why is that? Try shortening up a bank shot on the klematch P59 K55 profile cushions, good luck. Why do you think billiards cushions are so dense, so hard, in fact so hard that if you stretch the rail cloth with a pair of pliers and place a staple right next to the nose of the pliers, the nose of the cushions won't show any signs of dimpling? No, superspeed cushions don't play anywhere near what Artemis or Klematch cushions, for pool, they play better period.

If I really played pool? LOL
Dude you need to stop talking out of the side of your face.

Sorry but they all make "good" pool cushions regardless of your opinion.
Furthermore, without any proof of your claims, its just a bunch of hot air.

"I'm the great and powerful Glen and nobody knows more about rubber than ME!
...Or rails!
..Or tables!
...Or cloth!
I am The Glen and you are all IDIOTS ! "


Please show us the results of your durometer tests Glen.
(ANY durometer testing you have done to Brunswick, Artemis or Klematch cushions)
Show us the video(s) of identical tables set up with different cushions for testing.
Show us the ramp you've built for launching balls into various cushions at the exact same speed and angle.
Show us the chemical makeup comparison of each cushion and their % of gum rubber + additives.

After you do, then we can have a serious conversation about cushions.

[His Boy Elroy]

For a little over 3 years I played on a GCIV that had sub - rails extended by Jerimy Chambers. I asked him to Diamondize it. He said he knew how to do that. I joined AZ 4 years ago. Early on I wasn't a big fan of RKC. It wasn't because I thought I was a know - it - all. It was more naïveté on my part.

I kept listening to him though. Much of what I know now about pool tables I learned from reading his posts. Some others helped. ( "I to be Rich" wrote me a long, helpful p.m.once) Anyhow; the only reason I asked Jerimy to Diamondize my GCIV was because I read RKC talking about the fine tables he (RKC) produced with the process.

So Jerimy told me he wanted to put either Superspeeds or whatever the Artemis cushions are called that are installed on Diamonds (I'm not entirely sure....I think that means Artemis 66 intercontinentals) Jerimy told me there's only one difference between the 2 cushions.....The Artemis cushions have a SLIGHT more spring to them. That's all. I chose the Artemis.

When I make a 3 rail kick, I don't plan where I want the ball to hit on the 2nd and 3rd rail. I'll pick out a place ( sometimes any place) where I know I'd come up short with a center - ball hit. I then apply what I just FEEL is the appropriate spin needed to get the ball to the destination. It's all feel and experience. I look at the object ball I want to hit, I pick a place on the first rail I want to hit, and I pay little attention to the 2nd and 3rd rail.

I'm pretty successful at this. I don't know. Maybe everyone does it this way. All I know is I've never.....EVER felt cheated by those Artemis cushions on my GCIV (now "Jazzboxblues" table. I sold it to him.) The spring is perfect. They're consistent all around. Maybe they're shorter or longer than Superspeeds. I don't know. All I know is that my kicking and banking has improved tremendously over the last 3 years. If the Artemis cushions are longer or shorter than other cushions. I see no reason why I wouldn't be able to adjust in little time

......I'm a little confused with this thread. Let's give RKC credit where credit is due though. He certainly, with his AZ posting, contributed to my attaining a fine GCIV and finding a fine mechanic to work on it. Now that table belongs to another AZ member. RKC should feel good about that!

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bond

If I really played pool? LOL
Dude you need to stop talking out of the side of your face.

Sorry but they all make "good" pool cushions regardless of your opinion.
Furthermore, without any proof of your claims, its just a bunch of hot air.

"I'm the great and powerful Glen and nobody knows more about rubber than ME!
...Or rails!
..Or tables!
...Or cloth!
I am The Glen and you are all IDIOTS ! "


Please show us the results of your durometer tests Glen.
(ANY durometer testing you have done to Brunswick, Artemis or Klematch cushions)
Show us the video(s) of identical tables set up with different cushions for testing.
Show us the ramp you've built for launching balls into various cushions at the exact same speed and angle.
Show us the chemical makeup comparison of each cushion and their % of gum rubber + additives.

After you do, then we can have a serious conversation about cushions.

Ok, in your own words, why do you think superspeed, artemis, and klematch cushions all play the same on a pool table. Why don't the best billiards tables in the world install superspeed cushions? What's the MAIN difference between 3C rail rubber and pool rubber? Nows your chance to shin....or sink like a rock, because i know the answers....do you?

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bond

If I really played pool? LOL
Dude you need to stop talking out of the side of your face.

Sorry but they all make "good" pool cushions regardless of your opinion.
Furthermore, without any proof of your claims, its just a bunch of hot air.

"I'm the great and powerful Glen and nobody knows more about rubber than ME!
...Or rails!
..Or tables!
...Or cloth!
I am The Glen and you are all IDIOTS ! "


Please show us the results of your durometer tests Glen.
(ANY durometer testing you have done to Brunswick, Artemis or Klematch cushions)
Show us the video(s) of identical tables set up with different cushions for testing.
Show us the ramp you've built for launching balls into various cushions at the exact same speed and angle.
Show us the chemical makeup comparison of each cushion and their % of gum rubber + additives.

After you do, then we can have a serious conversation about cushions.

You want to challenge my billiards knowledge about the difference in cushions, you'd better get way past the 2nd grade buddy, because we're talking college level shit right here, not no grade school bs!

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bond

If I really played pool? LOL
Dude you need to stop talking out of the side of your face.

Sorry but they all make "good" pool cushions regardless of your opinion.
Furthermore, without any proof of your claims, its just a bunch of hot air.

"I'm the great and powerful Glen and nobody knows more about rubber than ME!
...Or rails!
..Or tables!
...Or cloth!
I am The Glen and you are all IDIOTS ! "


Please show us the results of your durometer tests Glen.
(ANY durometer testing you have done to Brunswick, Artemis or Klematch cushions)
Show us the video(s) of identical tables set up with different cushions for testing.
Show us the ramp you've built for launching balls into various cushions at the exact same speed and angle.
Show us the chemical makeup comparison of each cushion and their % of gum rubber + additives.

After you do, then we can have a serious conversation about cushions.

Durometer test....rotflmao....i did better than that, i installed a set of klematch P59 K55 profile cushions on a Diamond 9ft Professional at the Bank Shot Billiards in Louisville, KY. That's where Greg Sullivan play pool, and a few HOF bank pool players play out of there as well. Only took 2 weeks to get the orders to take the cushions off and replace them with the Artemis intercontinental K55 cushions because the Klematch P59 K55 profile cushions were.NOT accepted with open arms by the bank pool players....now, i wonder why that is, funny thing was....i told Greg beforhand that the cushions wouldn'tbe acceptable by the bank pool players because they'd have to give up making certain banks....guess who was right? Didn't need a durometer gage to tell me that answer!!!

[Mr. Bond]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

You want to challenge my billiards knowledge about the difference in cushions, you'd better get way past the 2nd grade buddy, because we're talking college level shit right here, not no grade school bs!

Just show us your test results Glen.
Then you can sit at the grown up table.