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At which point does a cue stop being about playability and start becoming Art? - 08-05-2017, 07:09 AM

I got a $116 cue in the mail yesterday, took it out and played just as well with it as I do my $400 cue. Took it home, exact same length, both made the same vibration when tapped at different points, etc. Outside of inlays the only difference between the two is the $400 cue screws together more smoothly and has a silk wrap, which I think aids in lightening my grip some since there's nothing for the skin of my palm to stick to.

So I find myself wondering, what's the absolute point in which a pool cue is going to play as well as other cues? Like, I can tell when holding a house cue--the wood doesn't seem solid, the tips are kind of crappy, I can feel the poor quality in the cue. But now I'm kind of wondering, are $35-40 cues better than house cues? What's the minimum requirement for a cue to be considered a 'good playing' cue?

I realize a good pool player can just play regardless of equipment but in terms of equipment alone with the player taken out of the equation, what's fundamentally important?

Or even, let's say my $400 cue plays the same my the $116 cue because the $400 cue is in the same classification of cue. Would I notice a difference of wood quality and handling from a $400 cue when compared to a $1,000+ cue? I've looked online and most sources I've seen are from cue dealers trying to make a sale. So I wanted an opinion from the perspective of players instead.



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08-05-2017, 07:19 AM

At about $116 no wrap.
$168 with a wrap.

Seriously, yes that P cue you got is a great cue.
I have 2 of them with a wrap as house cues.
I have two of their shafts for a Budweiser stealth cue and for a McD that's missing a shaft.
I have their SP sanded down and beat with a chain as a stealth cue.

Don't get me wrong, I have 15+ high ends Cues.
All except for the shafts have been bought used.

Each has their place.
I do love a pretty cue that also is a real player.
I would never spend more than maybe $1,000 for a used cue.



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08-05-2017, 07:27 AM

[QUOTE=WVShootist;5941169]I got a $116 cue in the mail yesterday, took it out and played just as well with it as I do my $400 cue. Took it home, exact same length, both made the same vibration when tapped at different points, etc.


Vibration? If it's not solid, if it vibrates, it does not matter the cost, it sucks and you don't know the difference? If it vibrates due to tapping HOW IS THE BREAK? lol

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08-05-2017, 07:31 AM

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I got a $116 cue in the mail yesterday, took it out and played just as well with it as I do my $400 cue. Took it home, exact same length, both made the same vibration when tapped at different points, etc.


Vibration? If it's not solid, if it vibrates, it does not matter the cost, it sucks and you don't know the difference? If it vibrates due to tapping HOW IS THE BREAK? lol

Once you try a solid hitting cue, you will never go back..
Tapping along the shaft, not the butt....

Also, I don't break with playing cues.



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08-05-2017, 07:36 AM

Tapping along the shaft, not the butt....[/QUOTE]

Wow, sad to hear. Ask your Friends to try their cues and see if you have the same experience but make sure theirs is not the import model.

Chime back in if you see a difference, Thanks very much, Dave.
  
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Silk wrap???????????
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Wink Silk wrap??????????? - 08-05-2017, 07:58 AM

What kinda snow-flake cue got there, bud? Never heard of silk wrapped cues.
  
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08-05-2017, 08:02 AM

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What kinda snow-flake cue got there, bud? Never heard of silk wrapped cues.
LOL My bad, 'linen wrapping.' Cue talk is an alien language to me, mistakes will be made here and there. Haha



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08-05-2017, 08:26 AM

20.00 . I paid 20.00 for a brand new premier sneaky Pete. I took it to Vegas nationals and played the bed I have ever played. I have 12 cues and this 20.00 cue plays better than any of the rest which range from 150.00 to 2,500.00.

I put it in the closet after I got back from Vegas 4 years ago and took it out to olay in a 9 ball team tournament. A decent money tournament with about 3,000.00 for first. My opponent played about 8or 9 safes and I kicked out every time. . Some one on his team yelled out ...somebody take that stick away from him ...he aint missing nothing ...lol.

Its 4 years old now and looks as good and is a straight as the day I bought it. I only play with it during important matches such as the tournament above and apa ltc's .

I just got lucky when I bought this cue because i had heard horror stories about shipping cues to nationals on planes and did not want to take any of my other cues.

I got it at cost from a buddy of mine who bought a dozen of them from a vendor at the southern classic in tunica .
  
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08-05-2017, 08:35 AM

Premier Cues http://www.omegabilliards.com/Premier_Cues_s/560.htm
I still think Players Cues are much better. Nicer quality for a cue under $200.
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20.00 . I paid 20.00 for a brand new premier sneaky Pete. I took it to Vegas nationals and played the bed I have ever played. I have 12 cues and this 20.00 cue plays better than any of the rest which range from 150.00 to 2,500.00.

I put it in the closet after I got back from Vegas 4 years ago and took it out to olay in a 9 ball team tournament. A decent money tournament with about 3,000.00 for first. My opponent played about 8or 9 safes and I kicked out every time. . Some one on his team yelled out ...somebody take that stick away from him ...he aint missing nothing ...lol.

Its 4 years old now and looks as good and is a straight as the day I bought it. I only play with it during important matches such as the tournament above and apa ltc's .

I just got lucky when I bought this cue because i had heard horror stories about shipping cues to nationals on planes and did not want to take any of my other cues.

I got it at cost from a buddy of mine who bought a dozen of them from a vendor at the southern classic in tunica .


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08-05-2017, 09:46 AM

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I still think Players Cues are much better. Nicer quality for a cue under $200.
I am not going to dispute that. I have 2 players myself. Both are around 12 years old. One I carry with me in my 3x6 case for hard to reach shots. Its the only players cue that I have come across that has a built in extension that screws out and locks in place.

I had I for 6 months before I eve realized it had a built in extension. Actually a friend was inspecting it and saw a hotline gap between the handle and the lower but section. He pointed it out to me and I started turning it and lo and behold ...an extension lol .
  
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08-05-2017, 02:19 PM

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I got a $116 cue in the mail yesterday, took it out and played just as well with it as I do my $400 cue. Took it home, exact same length, both made the same vibration when tapped at different points, etc. Outside of inlays the only difference between the two is the $400 cue screws together more smoothly and has a silk wrap, which I think aids in lightening my grip some since there's nothing for the skin of my palm to stick to.

So I find myself wondering, what's the absolute point in which a pool cue is going to play as well as other cues? Like, I can tell when holding a house cue--the wood doesn't seem solid, the tips are kind of crappy, I can feel the poor quality in the cue. But now I'm kind of wondering, are $35-40 cues better than house cues? What's the minimum requirement for a cue to be considered a 'good playing' cue?

I realize a good pool player can just play regardless of equipment but in terms of equipment alone with the player taken out of the equation, what's fundamentally important?

Or even, let's say my $400 cue plays the same my the $116 cue because the $400 cue is in the same classification of cue. Would I notice a difference of wood quality and handling from a $400 cue when compared to a $1,000+ cue? I've looked online and most sources I've seen are from cue dealers trying to make a sale. So I wanted an opinion from the perspective of players instead.
Do you know how many Dufferin house cues have been converted to 2 piece cues because of how good the wood is? I have converted several...


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08-05-2017, 02:48 PM

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AT WHICH POINT DOES A CUE STOP BEING ABOUT PLAYABILITY ANS START BECOME NG ART?
At the joint: Anything from joint to butt end is art, anything from joint to tip is playability.
  
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08-05-2017, 02:59 PM

I'd say it becomes art the second it doesn't make you play better!
  
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08-05-2017, 03:02 PM

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I got a $116 cue in the mail yesterday, took it out and played just as well with it as I do my $400 cue. Took it home, exact same length, both made the same vibration when tapped at different points, etc. Outside of inlays the only difference between the two is the $400 cue screws together more smoothly and has a silk wrap, which I think aids in lightening my grip some since there's nothing for the skin of my palm to stick to.

So I find myself wondering, what's the absolute point in which a pool cue is going to play as well as other cues? Like, I can tell when holding a house cue--the wood doesn't seem solid, the tips are kind of crappy, I can feel the poor quality in the cue. But now I'm kind of wondering, are $35-40 cues better than house cues? What's the minimum requirement for a cue to be considered a 'good playing' cue?

I realize a good pool player can just play regardless of equipment but in terms of equipment alone with the player taken out of the equation, what's fundamentally important?

Or even, let's say my $400 cue plays the same my the $116 cue because the $400 cue is in the same classification of cue. Would I notice a difference of wood quality and handling from a $400 cue when compared to a $1,000+ cue? I've looked online and most sources I've seen are from cue dealers trying to make a sale. So I wanted an opinion from the perspective of players instead.
Minimum would be $49.00 McDermott Lucky. Now you need to realize this is my opinion! lol
  
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08-05-2017, 04:49 PM

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At which point does a cue stop being about playability and start becoming Art?
For most people, I'd say it starts when you're putting your budget together for the cue.

For me, it starts with how heartbroken I'd be if someone stole the cue.

I don't play (regularly) with my cues that I consider to be Art.

I have far more expensive cues, but my daily playing cue is a Lucasi...because if someone stole it while I was in the bathroom I'd be pissed, but I'd just order another one off the net when I got home.

IMHO the Lucasi cues play real nice. I like their hit, their quality and they're extremely reasonable in their cost.


The other issue is, what would I do if I caught someone(s) in the act of making off with one of my cues that I consider "Art".

Suffice to say there'd be a 911 call, Police, Lawyers and probably a lot of dry cleaning. Get the picture? Best to avoid that whole scenario. That's just me.

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Do you know how many Dufferin house cues have been converted to 2 piece cues because of how good the wood is? I have converted several...
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