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Practice game: FARGO - 01-15-2008, 01:44 PM

Here is a description of the practice game FARGO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHj6KUw8xzE


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01-15-2008, 01:59 PM

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I learn something great in each of your videos. Your clear and concise manner of presentation and language, makes even the complex easy to comprehend. Thank you for your efforts... now I am off to try this game.
  
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01-15-2008, 02:09 PM

Been doing this for a while now, Mike


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01-15-2008, 03:01 PM

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I like Fargo because it punishes you for overestimating your ability. For those who haven't seen the video, you have to decide when in the rack to change from shooting any ball to shooting in rotation, getting a bonus point for each ball shot in rotation.


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01-15-2008, 03:23 PM

Guess i will strart carrying a block of wood in my case....... LOL


Sounds like a good practice game. i'll have to give it a try !

I Ussually just play the ghost in 9 ball, but i have little twist on the game, if i take ball in hand and run out i get half a game, if i elect to shoot from where the cue stops on the break i get a full game. AND THE GHOST ALWAYS GETS 1 IF I MISS yeah and as you guessed it, the ghost wins most of time!

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01-15-2008, 05:26 PM

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Here is a description of the practice game FARGO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHj6KUw8xzE
This sounds like a very good practice game. I like the progressive scoring system for improvement. Thanks for sharing.


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01-15-2008, 06:18 PM

Great information sir!!
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Similar to Q Skills - 01-15-2008, 08:48 PM

This is very similar to the Q Skills Challenge, which I have been doing for a while now in my practice. There are two obvious differences.First, with Q Skills you do not take ball in hand after break, without taking a penalty. Second, with the Q Skills, you always play the first 10 balls of the rack in any order and the last five always in rotation. I think I will have to try this version, since I like the extra challenge of deciding when in the rack you switch to rotation.

Here is a link describing the Q Skills Practice ...

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=45710

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01-15-2008, 09:28 PM

Thanks Mike, this looks like a lot of fun. I also practice with Q-skills quite frequently, but I'll give this a shot next time I play. Do you have any data on how FARGO scores compare to Q-skills scores? I'd imagine people would score a bit higher on FARGO, but then again, as Bob said, they may overestimate their ability and shoot themselves in the foot.

BTW, did you used to play at the NDSU union 6 or 7 years ago. You look familiar, and I remember playing there some when I was in school and running into some people there on the weekends that ate my lunch :-) Regardless, Sioux Suck!!!


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01-15-2008, 09:40 PM

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01-16-2008, 06:37 AM

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Thanks Mike, this looks like a lot of fun. I also practice with Q-skills quite frequently, but I'll give this a shot next time I play. Do you have any data on how FARGO scores compare to Q-skills scores? I'd imagine people would score a bit higher on FARGO, but then again, as Bob said, they may overestimate their ability and shoot themselves in the foot.
I should know the comparison because we used to do on-line tournaments first with Q-skill and then later with FARGO. The "self-awareness" component of FARGO makes a big difference. There is a penalty for either over or underestimating your own game. Q-skill is essentially a measure of pure offensive ability. FARGO mixes in some major components of what in 8-ball and 9-ball would translate to strategy/defensive considerations.

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01-16-2008, 08:14 AM

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I should know the comparison because we used to do on-line tournaments first with Q-skill and then later with FARGO. The "self-awareness" component of FARGO makes a big difference. There is a penalty for either over or underestimating your own game. Q-skill is essentially a measure of pure offensive ability. FARGO mixes in some major components of what in 8-ball and 9-ball would translate to strategy/defensive considerations.



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lol. We'll see if THAT gets a response...
Right on about the Sioux. Seeing that they are finally moving up to D-1, maybe they will want to match up with the Bison and get stomped again.

Do you still go down to the Union and play Dan Gu or Bruce? Do those guys still show up? I ran into Bruce when I went down to Iowa for a Big Dogs tournament. Him and Dave Mullen went down there.
  
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01-16-2008, 11:21 AM

I saw the video yesterday, and it actually is a very cool practice game. I tried out a few racks yesterday night (scoring a 21 the first try ).

It is very similar to Q-skill (at least the version played in the BDMMT), but Fargo is much less frustrating for the mediocre player such as myself. I like the fact that in Fargo you can decide exactly when to switch from random to rotation. Also, ball in hand after the break is huge!

I'll definitely be playing this practice game more regularly, to find out if I really am the C player I think I am.
  
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Score sheet - 01-16-2008, 01:55 PM

FARGO is a great concentration game!

Here is a link to a Fargo score sheet w/ rules included...

http://pool.fojavi.com/fargo_sheet.pdf

There are several other score sheets and stuff at my web site pool.fojavi.com

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01-16-2008, 02:20 PM

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Here is a description of the practice game FARGO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHj6KUw8xzE
Thanks Mike! I am a big fan of single player games for exactly the reasons you cited...including the ability to simulate real pressure....and I will certainly try Fargo.

The one issue I have with most such games is that they are entirely offensive and safety skills, which are critical to nearly all pool games, are absent and therefore, not measured in the "rating" scores.

I don't mean to hijack this thread but I am just curious if you read my posts re: "Ghost Plus" which introduces a safety option into the standard Ghost Ball game.

Briefly, you play the Ghost but have one opportunity per rack to play a CALLED safety.

If you leave the Ghost hooked requiring a 1 rail kick, you get ball in hand and can continue the run.

In the Advanced version, you need to leave a jump shot or at least 2 rail kick and if not, you lose the rack.

In either version, a scratch on the break is loss of rack which adds at least some ranking weight to breaking skills.


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