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spliced shafts versus conventional - 03-14-2008, 02:52 PM

Do you think spliced shafts are inherently better than solid shafts, or is it all hype?
  
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03-14-2008, 03:03 PM

A spliced shaft does have advantages, over a conventional maple shaft... There is abosolutely no hype about that, it is fact... Deflection, no there is where the Hype useualy comes in..


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03-14-2008, 03:17 PM

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A spliced shaft does have advantages, over a conventional maple shaft... There is abosolutely no hype about that, it is fact... Deflection, no there is where the Hype useualy comes in..


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What advantages do flat-laminated shafts have over conventional ones?


  
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This has to have been the best marketing job of all time. They have told you that plywood for shafts is the greatest think since the invention of the wheel. I don't know how we ever made a ball with a straight piece of maple. My hat goes off to these master minds. Deflection has been the buzz word for the billiards industry. I always thought that the player made the cue and not the shaft. If these shafts are so great, why doesn't everyone go and buy a Kmart cue and play.


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Lightbulb The warrior chooses his weapon wisely. - 03-14-2008, 06:30 PM

Would you go into battle with a rock when you could have had a gun? If you don't believe in the low deflection shafts that are out there today, then that is your choice. In my experience I have played with many different cues before trying the predator and OB1. Since then it's been nothing but predator for me. It just plain outperforms and that's where the buck stops with me.
  
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03-14-2008, 06:45 PM

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Would you go into battle with a rock when you could have had a gun? If you don't believe in the low deflection shafts that are out there today, then that is your choice. In my experience I have played with many different cues before trying the predator and OB1. Since then it's been nothing but predator for me. It just plain outperforms and that's where the buck stops with me.
Low deflection doesn't mean it has to be laminated.

You can easily have conventional shaft with a bored hole.


  
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03-14-2008, 06:51 PM

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Low deflection doesn't mean it has to be laminated.

You can easily have conventional shaft with a bored hole.

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03-14-2008, 08:19 PM

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Better yet, I will send you specs for another cue I have coming my way real soon. You can quote me a LD Primo quality shaft for it

If it is as easy as you say it is, than you should get alot of orders for shafts.
Predator has a patent on that hole.


  
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03-14-2008, 09:36 PM

[QUOTE=JoeyInCali]What advantages do flat-laminated shafts have over conventional ones?[/QUOTE





I would most definately answer your question but since your more of an expert on these subjects than I, you are a cue maker yes? Id like you to express your views on apparently why you think there is no advantage?

I know little about FLAT Laminated shafts, and I dont think Ive ever owned a cue that had one, now pie shaped or otherwise laminated shafts I do have experiance with...


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03-14-2008, 09:39 PM

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Low deflection doesn't mean it has to be laminated.

You can easily have conventional shaft with a bored hole.


I agree low deflection doesnt mean laminated, I played with a house cue tonight, and I was amazed at how much side I could use and still pocket the ball, definately low deflection... that is part of the problem, laminated shafts are much more consistant from shaft to shaft V/s solid maple shafts...As I picked up another one identical to it, and it was horrible..


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03-14-2008, 09:44 PM

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I agree low deflection doesnt mean laminated, I played with a house cue tonight, and I was amazed at how much side I could use and still pocket the ball, definately low deflection... that is part of the problem, laminated shafts are much more consistant from shaft to shaft V/s solid maple shafts...As I picked up another one identical to it, and it was horrible..
How can splices of different boards made in China be more consistent?
Now if all makers made shafts with 15-inch barrel, short plastic ferrule and hollowed front, they'd really be close to being alike.


  
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03-14-2008, 09:55 PM

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How can splices of different boards made in China be more consistent?
Now if all makers made shafts with 15-inch barrel, short plastic ferrule and hollowed front, they'd really be close to being alike.

Exactly, the majority of laminated shafts like the 314-2 Z-2 X shaft, OB-1 etc,, are pretty consistant in shaft to shaft, as the majority of these shafts I have tried all play very simular, Some maple shafts (solid) play differnt if you turn them a certain way, ala sweet spot.. whereas a laminated shaft if properly built has a 360* sweetspot...

If you have a low deflection solid maple shaft, I see no advantage, untill you need a new shaft, you cant gurantee you will get a shaft that plays close enough you dont need to readjust, now with the popular laminated shafts I could venture to say you could.. at least after the tip has seated in... because they are consistant..

This is my observations, that I know to be true... If your have had an experiance otherwise Id like to hear it.


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03-14-2008, 10:30 PM

If you have a low deflection solid maple shaft, I see no advantage, untill you need a new shaft, you cant gurantee you will get a shaft that plays close enough you dont need to readjust, now with the popular laminated shafts I could venture to say you could.. at least after the tip has seated in... because they are consistant..
IF it has a bored hole, same ferrule and taper, why wouldn't it be?

You think multiple pieces from different boards with differing density, age, tone and weight is more consistent?
The consistency in them is they are all made the same exact way.
If all makers bored their shafts 1/4 by 5 inches deep and used the same exact taper and ferrule, it'd ruin the laminated shaft market imo.


  
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If you have a low deflection solid maple shaft, I see no advantage, untill you need a new shaft, you cant gurantee you will get a shaft that plays close enough you dont need to readjust, now with the popular laminated shafts I could venture to say you could.. at least after the tip has seated in... because they are consistant..
IF it has a bored hole, same ferrule and taper, why wouldn't it be?

You think multiple pieces from different boards with differing density, age, tone and weight is more consistent?
The consistency in them is they are all made the same exact way.
If all makers bored their shafts 1/4 by 5 inches deep and used the same exact taper and ferrule, it'd ruin the laminated shaft market imo.

Joey, I agree with you for the most part and I understand what your saying, but you cant deny the aftermarket low deflection shafts if anything are consistant in playability.. I think this was the main reason people started going with laminated shafts, so when you get a new cue, you would have as near identical shafts as possible..

If I were to look at it from a cue makers standpoint, where I can only speculate, I would drill all my shafts 1/4 by 5 inches Deep and use the same taper.. that way all my cues would play very simular.....If this also lessens deflection, that would be a bonous right? what I mean is, as long as you can get a shaft to play really close to your former shaft, to me it wouldnt need to be low deflection, just consistant..

I think your on to something, why not go with it? I think if modifying a solid maple shaft, if you can get results, by all means do it.. I'll be your best customer.

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03-14-2008, 11:36 PM

If I were to look at it from a cue makers standpoint, where I can only speculate, I would drill all my shafts 1/4 by 5 inches Deep and use the same taper.. that way all my cues would play very simular.....If this also lessens deflection, that would be a bonous right? what I mean is, as long as you can get a shaft to play really close to your former shaft, to me it wouldnt need to be low deflection, just consistant..
It would make them very close to similar b/c by drilling that hole and using a soft ferrule, you would be killing tone out of the equation.
Hollowed shafts have almost no feel.


  
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