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9-Ball Racking Question - 03-19-2008, 07:45 AM

My only experience with 9-ball (and pool in general) is watching it on TV and playing in my own home. I have a question about racking the balls in 9-ball. I know (obviously) that the 1 goes in the front, the 9 in the middle, and the other balls go in randomly. Here's my question, though. If the balls are racked in a particular way in the first game, do they have to be racked that way throughout the rest of a match (if it's a race to 9, for instance, do all the racks have to have the balls in the same position every time)?


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03-19-2008, 07:51 AM

no they do not


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03-19-2008, 07:54 AM

By the rules, all the other balls should be at random every rack.
  
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03-19-2008, 07:59 AM

That's what I thought (based on what I've seen on TV), but I wanted to make sure that's how it's always done. Thanks!


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03-19-2008, 08:08 AM

If you watch matches like at the US OPEN when they play rack your own, you will notice a lot of the players will rack the exact same rack every time. They have a good idea where each ball will go after the break and the path for a break and run is similar every rack.
  
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03-19-2008, 12:10 PM

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If you watch matches like at the US OPEN when they play rack your own, you will notice a lot of the players will rack the exact same rack every time. They have a good idea where each ball will go after the break and the path for a break and run is similar every rack.
I've seen that and I've seen refs do it. By the rules as I understand them this is cheating. If we want to be deliberate about where the balls in the rack should be, we need to change the rules.


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03-19-2008, 12:18 PM

Obviously every table breaks a little different and every player has shots that they like and dislike, but isn't there a layout that is supposed to produce a more difficult runout and one that is supposed to produce an easier runout?
  
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03-19-2008, 12:23 PM

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Obviously every table breaks a little different and every player has shots that they like and dislike, but isn't there a layout that is supposed to produce a more difficult runout and one that is supposed to produce an easier runout?

Yes, and opinions vary on it. There are several books that address just that.
  
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03-19-2008, 12:26 PM

There is definitely an easier setup and a harder setup, which is why the rule is in place at all. If your opponent or ref is racking a certain pattern every time, and it is obviously the same pattern every time, I would call them on it (unless they're giving you the easier rack of course )


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03-19-2008, 12:36 PM

Anyone care to share the two different racking orders for hardest and easiest layouts.

Who wrote the book on racking secrets?

Thank you in advance.
  
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Joe Tucker - 03-19-2008, 12:47 PM

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Anyone care to share the two different racking orders for hardest and easiest layouts.

Who wrote the book on racking secrets?

Thank you in advance.
Joe wrote the book on racking secrets in 1999 and it is still the bible of racking. I know several great players who swear by it.
  
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03-19-2008, 12:50 PM

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Joe Tucker... DVD now available.
  
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03-19-2008, 01:07 PM

If you ever play me, rack like this for me:

1
38
695
47
2

And Ill rack like this for you:

1
35
697
24
8
  
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03-19-2008, 01:13 PM

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If you ever play me, rack like this for me:

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47
2

And Ill rack like this for you:

1
35
697
24
8
Printing.........
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Where do the balls go? - 03-19-2008, 01:31 PM

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Anyone care to share the two different racking orders for hardest and easiest layouts.

Who wrote the book on racking secrets?

Thank you in advance.

Bob Jewett has an article on his web site by Dr. George Onoda. On pages 6 & 7 in this seven article .pdf file, he shows where the balls actually go when broke in a 9 ball rack and the speed that they travel. Very interesting read. http://www.sfbilliards.com/onoda_all_txt.pdf

Also, all Bob's articles are very interesting and knowledgeable for all pool players. They can be found at, http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/BD_articles.html

When racking for me, I place the balls as follows
1
38 (three on the side I am breaking from)
596
47
2

This will allow the 2 to come up table with the 1 and the cue ball. The 3 will stay somewhere around the side pocket for easier position playing.

If you are breaking, I rack about the same, but, I put the 2 where the 5 was and the 3 where the 2 was. This will keep the 2 at that end of the table away from the 1 and the 3 back up in the location of the 1. So the opponent has to go back and forth from one end to the other.

Edited to remove one of the 5's. Got caught..


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