Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Main Category > Main Forum
Reload this Page The White House and billiards
Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
The White House and billiards
Old
  (#1)
TX Poolnut
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
TX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond reputeTX Poolnut has a reputation beyond repute
 
TX Poolnut's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 14,578
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Houston
   
The White House and billiards - 04-27-2008, 09:52 AM

I found this page from the White House Museum website. The picture is from 1928(Coolidge admin.) in what is today the Map Room of the White House. It looks like a 10 footer with pockets. Click the link for a full page on the history of pool and the White House.

http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/floor0/map-room.htm
Attached Images
 
  
Reply With Quote

wow
Old
  (#2)
whitey2
Time Stand Still
whitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond reputewhitey2 has a reputation beyond repute
 
whitey2's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,123
vCash: 500
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Massachusetts, USA
   
wow - 04-27-2008, 06:45 PM

Thanks for posting that link. I love stuff like that, and I
wish that the billiard room picture was in color, but it is very nice in B/W as well.

By the way, could we call those "White House Cues" on the rack?

EDIT: Oh yeh, that looks like a nine footer to me...
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#3)
mullyman
Hung Like a Gnat!
mullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond repute
 
mullyman's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,468
vCash: 4100
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Japan
   
04-27-2008, 06:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey2
Thanks for posting that link. I love stuff like that, and I
wish that the billiard room picture was in color, but it is very nice in B/W as well.

By the way, could we call those "White House Cues" on the rack?

EDIT: Oh yeh, that looks like a nine footer to me...

How cool would it be to have one of those cues? I wonder what happened to them?
MULLY


http://forums.azbilliards.com/signaturepics/sigpic10522_1.gif
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#4)
CocoboloCowboy
Cowboys are my heros.
CocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond reputeCocoboloCowboy has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 26,922
vCash: 1538
iTrader: 91 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2007
   
04-27-2008, 06:47 PM

Jam know more about the Whitehouse, and its pool history.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#5)
219Dave
Pool is my therapy
219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute219Dave has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 406
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Munster, Indiana
   
04-28-2008, 05:21 AM

I think there's some stuff on the Brunswick website about which presidents played pool in the white house.

They also mention there being a pool table at Camp David.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#6)
JAM
On the Hill
JAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond reputeJAM has a reputation beyond repute
 
JAM's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 33,950
vCash: 325
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Oct 2004
   
04-28-2008, 05:43 AM

The White House Billiard Room is one of the sights on the former White House tour and was placed there by our nation's fifth President, James "Eight Ball" Monroe.

Monroe gave the special room the most use in its history since he adored pool and billiards. He would have made fine competition for former Governor "Aerosmith" Weld of Massachusetts, who once made short work at his home of Judd Rose on Prime Time Live. The wealthy Weld, first in his class at Harvard, has two beautiful pool tables in his home today.

As America's pool saga continues, hopefully whoever wins in 2008 will be able to both balls and budgets.


The Smithsonian Institute has an extensive billiard collection, and it was on a temporary display a decade or so ago, but right now I think it is locked up in a Smithsonian basement.

When President Hayes moved in the White House, Mrs. Hayes did a complete renovation. "Relic hunters" came from far and wide to try to steal them a piece of the White House historical strucure that Mrs. Hayes was getting rid of from the old part of the White House being torn away, and with it went a piece of Civil War history, the pool table where General Grant spent much of his time when he was at the White House, playing pool and smoking:

With the removal of the conservatories from the West Side of the White House, one of the points of interest connected with the famous building disappears. That part of the conservatory next to the White House was formerly the billiard room of General Uylsses S. Grant where he spent much of his time in playing his favorite game and smoking...Mrs. Hayes, who was a great lover of flowers and took more interest in conservatories than has any woman since her time, had the conservatory remodeled, and the smoking and billiard room of General Grant was replaced.... -- Published in The New York Times, June 23, 1902.

Just a little White House pool smut!

JAM


.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#7)
gulfportdoc
AzB Silver Member
gulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond reputegulfportdoc has a reputation beyond repute
 
gulfportdoc's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,182
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Gulfport, Mississippi
   
04-28-2008, 06:00 AM

There's this from the Brunswick website:

"From the time that John Moses Brunswick built his first billiards table back in 1845, the company he founded has remained singularly dedicated to premier design, superior craftsmanship, and uncompromising quality and performance. It is no wonder that, for more than 150 years, owning a Brunswick table has been a matter of pride and prestige.

In 1845?and the decades that followed?a billiard table was a fine status symbol. The mere presence of a table stated that you were a person of wealth and influence?because you could afford a table, you could afford a home large enough to accommodate one! But a man of influence and position had more than one reason to own a billiard table. Aside from the pure enjoyment of the game?and impressing guests?a man could complete negotiations over a friendly game of billiards. Whether commercial, political, or even military, serious issues could be discussed, and deals could be struck, over the neutral ground of a billiard table.

John Brunswick recognized that his customers were affluent and educated so he built tables that appealed to their elite and elevated tastes. In fact, it is because of this that Brunswick became the very first American brand name with true prestige.

The first real American celebrity who owned a Brunswick table was an immensely important person in American history?Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln was a self-confessed ?billiards addict.? He described the game as a ?health inspiring, scientific game, lending recreation to the otherwise fatigued mind.?

It is quite possible that critical issues of national interest?slavery, international relations and the civil war?were handled over the slate of a Brunswick table.

General George Custer also owned a Brunswick table. One can only imagine the important issues he might have discussed with other military leaders over that table.

We know of one account in the 1890s, when Buffalo Bill Cody, Texas Jack Uhumbro and Wild Bill Hickock were touring with their ?Wild West? show. While drinking in a tavern in Boston, a group of about thirty longshoremen decided to see how tough these ?Westerners? really were. Well, Hickock grabbed a pool cue, and about one minute later, there were four people left in that room?Hickock, Cody, Texas Jack, and of course, the bartender. Now, maybe it was the beautiful styling, or the craftsmanship, or the sturdy construction. But when Buffalo Bill bought billiard tables for his hotel in Cheyenne, you can be sure that night in Boston had something to do with his decision to buy Brunswicks.

The foremost captains of industry?Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, William Vanderbilt, Henry Ford, J.P. Morgan and William Randolph Hearst?all of these people owned Brunswick tables. And we can only speculate what issues were discussed, what negotiations were undertaken, and what matters were handled over a game of billiards.

Teddy Roosevelt?our Secretary of the Navy and the hero of San Juan Hill, the President of the United States and, later, a distinguished wild game hunter?owned a Brunswick table. How many of the decisions that shaped our world were reached over a Brunswick table?

Among sports figures and celebrities, Mark Twain, one of our nation?s most renowned authors, Babe Ruth, one of our great sports legends, and Humphrey Bogart, one of our greatest actors?all owned Brunswick tables. Nat King Cole, Lou Gehrig, James Dean, and of course, Frank Sinatra owned Brunswick tables.

There was a Brunswick table in the White House during the administrations of several recent presidents. And when President Eisenhower established Camp David, it was furnished with not one, but four Brunswick tables. Every President since Eisenhower?Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Clinton?has used those tables.

A stream of notable visitors, including Winston Churchill, Nikita Krushchev, Charles de Gaulle, Anwar Sadat and King Hussein, all knew those tables. Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were known to be pretty good players. What issues of world security, what areas of common ground, what conflicts were settled over those Brunswick tables?"
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#8)
APA sleeper
AzB Silver Member
APA sleeper is a jewel in the roughAPA sleeper is a jewel in the roughAPA sleeper is a jewel in the rough
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 121
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2008
   
04-28-2008, 06:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by TX Poolnut
I found this page from the White House Museum website. The picture is from 1928(Coolidge admin.) in what is today the Map Room of the White House. It looks like a 10 footer with pockets. Click the link for a full page on the history of pool and the White House.

http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/floor0/map-room.htm
I used to play on a ten foot brunswick table and i think it had 6 legs. still a nice picture and info. thanx
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#9)
bsmutz
Fearlessly Happy
bsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond reputebsmutz has a reputation beyond repute
 
bsmutz's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,165
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Kelso, WA
   
04-28-2008, 11:33 AM

What a terrible way to ruin a perfectly good game! Why on earth would anyone want to spend their time on a pool table making tough decisions about the world or business? Go for it or play safe, I say!


My reality does not equal your reality, but my reality is neither > nor < your reality.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#10)
MBTaylor
Banned
MBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeMBTaylor has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 374
vCash: 6925
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Baltimore, MD
   
04-28-2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 219Dave
I think there's some stuff on the Brunswick website about which presidents played pool in the white house.

They also mention there being a pool table at Camp David.
Let's hope that decisions aren't made by who wins a 10 ahead set....lol
  
Reply With Quote
???
Old
  (#11)
joninnorfolk
AzB Silver Member
joninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond reputejoninnorfolk has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 88
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: norfolk, va
   
??? - 04-28-2008, 12:01 PM

What do you suppose the box under the near end is for? Maybe for a kid or short people to stand on?
  
Reply With Quote
President Reagan...
Old
  (#12)
gregoryg
AzB Silver Member
gregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond reputegregoryg has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 486
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: New Jersey, as far north and west as you can go
   
President Reagan... - 04-28-2008, 08:59 PM

I have been told by a customer of mine, that was acquainted with White House Secret Service agents, that Reagan used to hustle unsuspecting employees on the White House pool table all the time.


Playing cue, Tim Scruggs custom, 1 of a kind, my design, Scruggs hustler break cue, a bunch of Runde era Schon's
  
Reply With Quote
Billiards used as a dirty campaign tactic
Old
  (#13)
8ballEinstein
AzB Silver Member
8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute8ballEinstein has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 2,558
vCash: 1250
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southern California
   
Billiards used as a dirty campaign tactic - 04-28-2008, 09:38 PM

In his 1828 campaign against Andrew Jackson, President John Quincy Adams was accused of being a shameless gambler simply because he had once purchased a second-hand billiard table for use of guests.

"When we find the fathers and mothers of our country ... persuading young men from practices which lead to destruction," one Jacksonian editor soberly moralized, "we greatly fear that the too frequent answer will be, 'Why, the President plays billiards!' "


A 10 year old child could do the things that I do ... as long as he has 15 years of experience.
Harry Blackstone, Jr
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#14)
mullyman
Hung Like a Gnat!
mullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond reputemullyman has a reputation beyond repute
 
mullyman's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,468
vCash: 4100
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Japan
   
04-29-2008, 12:05 AM

If I was President I would want to do the opening break at the US Open. Kind of like throwing the first pitch for baseball season.
MULLY
now how cool would that be?


http://forums.azbilliards.com/signaturepics/sigpic10522_1.gif
  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.