3/8 - 10 pin

jed1894 · Apr 29, 2008

I tried to do a search on this thread but it kept coming up with no results.

Been hearing a lot these days about the larger pins, and how good they are. What exactly, other than the obvious, is the differencel (in feel)? Any custom cue makers switching to the fatter pins? I know that Shurtz have swithed. I have noticed that my McDermott with a 3/8 - 10 pin does feel different, but I'm not so sure that's a good thing or not. The tip is a Triangle so I'm not sure what I'm feeling.

Any thoughts....or is just another preference thing?

JED

worriedbeef · Apr 29, 2008

i like the wood to wood 3/8 10 pin. feels extremely solid and somehow a touch more natural than the metal quick release joints.

yally · Apr 29, 2008

I've moved from stainles steel joints to wood to wood 3/8x10 exclusively. More lively feel.

cajunbarboxplyr · Apr 29, 2008

My McDermott has a 3/8x10 pin....... it was my first experince with it..I loved it............my Tice has a 3/8x10 as well...... the flat face......wood-2-wood....great feel in the hit......I myself can not stand a steel joint whatsover!! Im sure there are some steel jointed cues out there that has a remarkable hit but Ive yet to try one I liked...including schon, joss, etc...

jed1894 · Apr 29, 2008

Okay, but what about a 5/16 or other pin that connects wood-to-wood? Wouldn't that be the same? Seems that once the two pieces are connected wood-to-wood the pin would a non-issue. Or, am I missing something? Is the 3/8 pin the only that truly connects wood to wood?

JED

jed1894 · Apr 29, 2008

jed1894 said:
Okay, but what about a 5/16 or other pin that connects wood-to-wood? Wouldn't that be the same? Seems that once the two pieces are connected wood-to-wood the pin would a non-issue. Or, am I missing something? Is the 3/8 pin the only that truly connects wood to wood?

JED

Sorry about the ignorant post. I understand that 3/8 pins are mounted differently without a brass insert. But in any event, it seems that once they're connected the wood touches.....???

ShootingArts · Apr 29, 2008

Pins

jed1894 said:
Sorry about the ignorant post. I understand that 3/8 pins are mounted differently without a brass insert. But in any event, it seems that once they're connected the wood touches.....???

JED,

I don't really know why but the cue does seem to transmit feel better with a big nonmetallic pin. I like the 3/8" G-10 and am considering having some 7/16" pins CNC'ed out of G-10 or G-11.

Hu

CBCornerPockeT · Apr 30, 2008

Flat faced?

Along these lines, I was wondering exactly what part of the joint flat-faced is referring to? Just trying to understand what makes one flat faced and one not.

Double-Dave · Apr 30, 2008

CB said:
Along these lines, I was wondering exactly what part of the joint flat-faced is referring to? Just trying to understand what makes one flat faced and one not.

One some cues there is a little piece of metal/wood sticking out of the shaft,
the butt of the cue will have a hole around the pin to accomodate this piece of metal.
That would be a piloted joint.

If the shaft does not have anything sticking out (making it flat) and the butt does not have the hole then it is flat-faced.

gr. Dave

Fast Lenny · Apr 30, 2008

I do like the wood to wood jointed cue with a big pin for 9 ball and some games but prefer a SS jointed cue for straights and actually one hole too.I played with a guys Falcon a week ago fitted with a predator shaft,it was SS joint and the cue played great.Shane in an interview i saw is playing with a Diveney i believe with an SS joint because its what he is used to.I just think its all about preference,to me whether a cue is a player or not comes from the shaft and tip,not saying the joint doesnt have an effect but dont think it will make a cue play like a dog.

BlowFish · Apr 30, 2008

So far, my prefered pin is a G10 3/8x10. I would think that a G10 with any big pin (3/8) and threads 8, 9, 10 or 11 will still hit the same.

Bill the Cat · Apr 30, 2008

Joint Pin

IMHO, I really think it's all in your head. There are so many other aspects to a cue that influence the hit (wood choice, shaft taper, tip, ferrule, stainless vs. phenolic joint, etc.) that the joint pin is of little consequence. The joint pin's purpose is to hold the cue together. I would challange anyone to hit with two similar cues that have different joint pins and tell me which is which.

JoeyInCali · Apr 30, 2008

ShootingArts said:
JED,

I don't really know why but the cue does seem to transmit feel better with a big nonmetallic pin. I like the 3/8" G-10 and am considering having some 7/16" pins CNC'ed out of G-10 or G-11.

Hu

They'd make for great A-joint screw I think.
Great wood adhesion and much less chance of ratteling compared to 3/8 ss.

jed1894 · Apr 30, 2008

Bill the Cat said:
IMHO, I really think it's all in your head. There are so many other aspects to a cue that influence the hit (wood choice, shaft taper, tip, ferrule, stainless vs. phenolic joint, etc.) that the joint pin is of little consequence. The joint pin's purpose is to hold the cue together. I would challange anyone to hit with two similar cues that have different joint pins and tell me which is which.

This what I thought too. I think I'll try the experiment on some friends.

JED

stikapos · Apr 30, 2008

I've recently had a ss 3/8x10 pin replaced with a g10 by Varney. Very nice job, btw. I have to agree w/ Joey in Cali, the improved adhesion got rid of the buzz in the joint. I think it hits better than it did before. Also, the shaft joint hole was drilled, filled (coco) and retapped. What a difference there! No more loose pin! Practically, who knows what the impact of the pin is (other than balance) as I'm thinking that there aren't many who would build two cues exactly the same to test with different pins.

tim

joeboxer · Apr 30, 2008

stikapos said:
I've recently had a ss 3/8x10 pin replaced with a g10 by Varney. Very nice job, btw. I have to agree w/ Joey in Cali, the improved adhesion got rid of the buzz in the joint. I think it hits better than it did before. Also, the shaft joint hole was drilled, filled (coco) and retapped. What a difference there! No more loose pin! Practically, who knows what the impact of the pin is (other than balance) as I'm thinking that there aren't many who would build two cues exactly the same to test with different pins.

tim

Joey was talking about the A-joint, which is where the forearm is connected to the handle of the cue.
But i agree the G10 makes for a nice main joint pin also.

td873 · Apr 30, 2008

CB said:
Along these lines, I was wondering exactly what part of the joint flat-faced is referring to? Just trying to understand what makes one flat faced and one not.

Many cue makers built 5/16X14 piloted joints with just a brass insert or a bit of wood sticking out, i.e., the pilot. These are not flat faced, since the face of the joint has a pilot (on the shaft) and a recess (on the butt)

On this shaft, the pilot is rounded, but there isn't alot of brass showing (but there is some wood showing)

On this shaft, more brass showing (but there is still some wood showing)

On this shaft, there is almost NO wood showing, and only the pilot is showing

A piloted joint:

Just the butt

Here are some examples of some different joints:

An example of radial flat faced joint:

An example of 5/16X14 flat faced joint:

An example of 3/8X10 flat faced joint:

-td

jed1894 · Apr 30, 2008

I guess it's preference at best. If not, then all custom cue makers (and some factory) would make their cues 3/8 - 10 pin.

JEd

Roadkill · Apr 30, 2008

If you really want a flat-faced joint (which is inferior to piloted), I would probably go with a brass 3/8-11.

But don't over analyze and remember; it's not the size of the ship (pin in this case) but the motion of the ocean. In my opinion, you'd be better off playing with a house cue than many of the available low-cost production cues.

jed1894 · Apr 30, 2008

Roadkill said:
If you really want a flat-faced joint (which is inferior to piloted), I would probably go with a brass 3/8-11.

But don't over analyze and remember; it's not the size of the ship (pin in this case) but the motion of the ocean. In my opinion, you'd be better off playing with a house cue than many of the available low-cost production cues.

I agree....

3/8 - 10 pin

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