BHE/FHE Techniques

Joe Tucker has some videos here on this subject. They were very helpful to me.

yes tucker has the best stuff on this, followed by some of colin's youtube stuff he did on the subject. All i do is aim a little thin or fat, expecially on fairly close shots, then if im using both at the same time (like tucker advocates), i just slightly move my bridge hand and slightly move my backhand.....doesnt take much. Its really more of a feel thing for me

i make the adjustment after my warmups, but before my final stroke.

for me... I tend to use my front hand to adjust the amount of follow or draw.. and the back hand to adjust sidespin.
I orientate my spin, and place my tip as close as possible to the cueball, before my first practice stroke. then I stroke 3 to 5 times, swapping my focus from CB to GB focusing on the GB last and stroke the shot.

av84fun said:

There have been some very interesting posts/polls lately about bhe/fhe english.

I thought it would be interesting to ask EXACTLY how those who use one or both techniques go about it.

Please deal with each separately if you use both. What I am interested in includes but is not limited to:

1. The process by which you reorient the cue to the line on which you intend to deliver it to the CB.

2. When do you adopt that line...i.e. before you bend into the shot...during your warm up strokes....on the last forward stroke????

3. Do you use those techniques whenever you apply english or just on certain shots...which ones...and why?

In generaly, please just walk us through your approach to your use of those techniques in as much details as possible

THANKS!

Jim

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Recently I use FHE, BHE and PE. I started with FHE, still like it. Did some BHE to know how it works. Buying a 314, so try using PE. But at the end, I'm going back to FHE, even with the 314.

Using FHE, I do the following:
1. When I use FHE, it's always because I need some english. Distance will not matter to me.
2. Like always, I try to predict the path the CB will go. Let say I need left english.
3. Than, I need to know if I make a follow, stun or draw shot. I will explain it later why I do this. This is really important.
4. I watch the distance and calculate how much squirt I will get.
5. I try to imagine the 'normal' line. It's the line, when you don't use english. No squirt or swerve calculated.
6. Now, I'm make some adjustment. When you need left english, the CB will squirt to the right. When I use follow left, I adjust the 'normal' line to the right (yes to the right). When I use only left english, I adjust a little to the left. When I use drawing left, I adjust a little more to the left, compare to using only left english.
7. Now, I line up. I do some practicing shot, to know if I got the right alignment.
8. My backhand stays still. I pivot my forehand to get the right amount of side english.
9. I do even more practicing shots.
10. If everything is alright, I will pull the trigger.

I don't use BHE and PE anymore, because both are unpredictable. By using BHE, you are pivotting too much. It's hard to get control over it. Using PE is even harder, because, you have no line to aim. So you don't know if your cue is really parallel.

How does swerve change when using follow and draw?

WesleyW said:

6. Now, I'm make some adjustment. When you need left english, the CB will squirt to the right. When I use follow left, I adjust the 'normal' line to the right (yes to the right). When I use only left english, I adjust a little to the left. When I use drawing left, I adjust a little more to the left, compare to using only left english.
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Would you mind explaining a little further, how the amount of swerve changes when cueing high-left, left, and low-left?

Thanks!
Jeff

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high left/right: immediate swerve
low left/right: delayed swerve
left/right: nominal / no swerve

Don Feeney had a good video on this if you can find it.

Thanks!

SpiderWebComm said:

high left/right: immediate swerve
low left/right: delayed swerve
left/right: nominal / no swerve

Don Feeney had a good video on this if you can find it.

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Thanks! Quick follow up question...

Is the amount of swerve different when cueing high or low, or just the time at which the swerve occurs?

BHE and FHE resources

FYI, Colin Colenso has a very good (and long) video explaining how back-hand-Enlgish (BHE) is commonly used in practice. See NV A.19. Also, if people want detailed illustrations and explanations of the methods, see my November '07 article. For even more info, see:

Regards,
Dave

av84fun said:

There have been some very interesting posts/polls lately about bhe/fhe english.

I thought it would be interesting to ask EXACTLY how those who use one or both techniques go about it.

Please deal with each separately if you use both. What I am interested in includes but is not limited to:

1. The process by which you reorient the cue to the line on which you intend to deliver it to the CB.

2. When do you adopt that line...i.e. before you bend into the shot...during your warm up strokes....on the last forward stroke????

3. Do you use those techniques whenever you apply english or just on certain shots...which ones...and why?

In generaly, please just walk us through your approach to your use of those techniques in as much details as possible

THANKS!

Jim

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D Player said:

Thanks! Quick follow up question...

Is the amount of swerve different when cueing high or low, or just the time at which the swerve occurs?

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I would have to think high has more swerve since there's more spin earlier in the CB's travel. I honestly never really think about it - I just shoot. I know that's not helpful, but I don't think I really know.

follow/draw swerve effects

SpiderWebComm said:

I would have to think high has more swerve since there's more spin earlier in the CB's travel.

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This depends on shot speed, cue elevation, and shot distance. For more details and illustrations, see my March '08 article.

Regards,
Dave

dr_dave said:

This depends on shot speed, cue elevation, and shot distance. For more details and illustrations, see my March '08 article.

Regards,
Dave

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Well done.

Coriolis masse aiming method

Bob Jewett said:

The angle of swerve is given by the same method that Coriolis described 173 years ago for aiming masse shots. Your stick at the instant of contact with the cue ball points to a spot on the cloth, X. The cue ball at that instant rests on a spot on the cloth, Y. The final path of the cue ball after it curves will be parallel to the line joining Y and X.

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If people want to learn more about this method, I have good illustrations in my November '05 article.

Regards,
Dave

I'll try to work out the angle before I get down, then massage it a little as I zero in. How much is enough, how much is too much, depending on whether it's a hard, medium or soft stroke to be played and high or low. Pivots all pretty much on auto-pilot, but I lock it in before warmup strokes.

Great Information

dr_dave said:

This depends on shot speed, cue elevation, and shot distance. For more details and illustrations, see my March '08 article.

Regards,
Dave

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Thanks for the article! This gets right to the heart of my question.