1 pocket

[tom haney]

OR any game. The top player in my town will
shoot a combo & the cue stays right there
for the next shot. With me, the cue too often
drifts to where I don't have position on the
ball I shot into the 1st one I made.
What does he know that I don't.
He almost always gets the 2nd shot
sraight in. He half ass tried to explain
it to me but I'm too dense.
Incidentally, I've been playing 1 hole
for years & I beat a lot of people but
this is 1 trick that has eluded me.
P.S. keep your explanation simple.
I'm not a smart man.

 

[Tom In Cincy]

When making a combo and you want to get position on the ball you hit first. You must be on the correct side of the 1st ball when making the combo.

Both the cueball and the 1st combo ball will should end up traveling in the same general direction.

Or, it's just a matter of hitting the 1st combo ball just hard enough that it and the cue ball won't drift out of range of a good next shot, and still make the combo.

Angle and speed. Angle and Speed..

This is about as simple as I can make it. I sure hope someone else can do a better job, and maybe help us both.

 

[jayz]

OR any game. The top player in my town will
shoot a combo & the cue stays right there
for the next shot. With me, the cue too often
drifts to where I don't have position on the
ball I shot into the 1st one I made.
What does he know that I don't.
He almost always gets the 2nd shot
sraight in.

Post a simple diagram of the combination shot and cue ball position relative to the pocket and table and perhaps you would receive a more definitive answer.

 

[Rickw]

Remember that when you use draw, the first ball will move forward. If you use follow, the first ball will stop or even back up a little. Also, look at the tangent line, this will show you what direction the first ball will move towards after contact.

If you're going to get good at 1H, you'd better figure this out!

 

[tom haney]

Tom in Cincy, with all due respect, it's more
than what you suggested. I know what
you said. The guy I play virtually NEVER
misses position on the first ball.
Rick, I'll try your advice & see what happens.
Don't get me wrong, guys, I play pretty good
po in 1 hole. It's the uncanny consistency of
the other guy that makes me think I've been
missing something all these years. I'll keep
you posted on my success. Any more advice
out there? Where's that old fart FL when you
need him?

 

[Micktmason]

if I am picturing this correctly, the player is probably using side english ,(with some low to keep a little separation from first object ball) using side to throw the ball instead of cutting it, and hitting a more "center" hit on the first object ball, the gear effect of side english on a combo is double so you can get a good amount of angle on the second ball while hitting the first ball close to straight on

 

[Sputnik]

To have position in a regular shot, you have to know the impact tangent to determine where the cue ball will go. In the combo, the 1st object ball will be the "cue ball". Look at that tangent and predict where the 1st object ball will go. Then go back to your real cue ball and determine the tangent and path of the cue ball. Apply the necessary english or stroke to set up the cue ball according to your prediction in where the 1st object ball will go.

I hate combos. I think everybody does. It lessens precision by half and precision is the name of the game.

 

[tom haney]

Micktmason, when he tried to explain
technique to me, he said pretty much
what you said. Thanks.

 

[Keith McCready]

Hondo, I'd have to see a diagram in order to see what you're trying to find out. It depends on what angle you've got. If you want to stop the cue-ball on a combination, you got to draw the cue-ball back and draw it with a little more force. You will learn by seeing how the cue-ball comes off the object ball, but I'd still have to see the shot.

 

[jayz]

P.S. keep your explanation simple.
I'm not a smart man.

Post a simple diagram of the combination shot and cue ball position relative to the pocket and table and perhaps you would receive a more definitive answer.

Hondo, I'd have to see a diagram in order to see what you're trying to find out.

Diagram?

 

[tom haney]

Keith, thanks for responding. The reason I
haven't drawn a diagram is because it isn't
any 1 shot. When I draw the cueball back
on various combos the 1st ball often moves
more than I want it to. The other guy manages
to use english that keeps the ball cutable. (word?)
His consistency makes me think I'm putting
wrong stuff on the ball. I want to keep that 1st
ball from floating out of range. It's a general
question rather than a specific shot.

 

[Skeezicks]

Keith, thanks for responding. The reason I
haven't drawn a diagram is because it isn't
any 1 shot. When I draw the cueball back
on various combos the 1st ball often moves
more than I want it to. The other guy manages
to use english that keeps the ball cutable. (word?)
His consistency makes me think I'm putting
wrong stuff on the ball. I want to keep that 1st
ball from floating out of range. It's a general
question rather than a specific shot.

Diagram a specific case of your general question. That would help. Do you know how to use Wei's table?

 

[tom haney]

no

 

[piglit]

It's a general
question rather than a specific shot.

You cannot ask for a "general" answer to this type of question.

The result that you seek is only possible in specific situations: Those where the contact point of the 2 obs is close to full.

-pigi

 

[Sputnik]

I think that my previous post was a general answer to a general combo question.

 

[Skeezicks]

no

drag and drop, copy and paste. read all about it here-

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2_help.html

you must have the Shockwave plugin. You can get that here if you need it-

http://sdc.shockwave.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?&P5_Language=English

 

[tom haney]

Thanks, Skeezicks.

 

[instroke]

I have observed in my own game that the path of the first ball and the cueball usually go in the opposite direction of what "seems" natural to me. Since I started thinking this way I have started to "see" the paths of the balls much more clearly and it has become really obvious how to hit the first ball to achieve position.

One thing to remember is that drawing the cueball will cause the first ball to follow and top english will cause it to check(stop) and slightly draw.

John

 

[Bluewolf]

OR any game. The top player in my town will
shoot a combo & the cue stays right there
for the next shot. With me, the cue too often
drifts to where I don't have position on the
ball I shot into the 1st one I made.
What does he know that I don't.
He almost always gets the 2nd shot
sraight in. He half ass tried to explain
it to me but I'm too dense.
Incidentally, I've been playing 1 hole
for years & I beat a lot of people but
this is 1 trick that has eluded me.
P.S. keep your explanation simple.
I'm not a smart man.

I guess I am clueless. I thought the cb would go where it normally would when a ball is struck depending on speed,english etc..

Laura

 

[tom haney]

Laura, read instroke's post. Sounds pretty
right. Incidentally everybody, I think I've
got enough to go on without posting a
picture. Now, if I can find someplace to play.
My poolroom closed over the weekend.
WAAAAAAAAH!!