2022 World Cup of Pool Draw: Thoughts and Predictions Thread

mista335

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Some of the supposedly randomly drawn matchups look pretty fishy. Main examples are Great Britain A vs. Great Britain B, USA vs. Canada, and Greece vs. Cyprus.
Why would Matchroom want one of the Great Britain teams to be knocked out early?
 

West Point 1987

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Cyprus is Greece technically on the south side of the island. The north side is occupied by Turkey since 1973. It’s a complex situation there. I go every year. The 2 sides of the island are different worlds. My guess is MR picked it because of the Greek side. The Cypriots got a raw deal too I think. It’s complex. There’s a vacant city there-a no go zone since 73 when the occupation happened. There’s also a UN buffer zone down the middle of the island(I’ve walked through that a few times). It feels like there’s tension, but not presently. A potentially tense situation in the future.

All I know is the foods great and weather as well. I have a friend who’s lived there his whole life he’s 55. Nice place.

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I was the U.S. Defense Attache there for three years (2010-2013)...Pretty sporty players, but not really in the same class as the rest of the field, IMHO, although a couple play regularly on the Euro Tour. There are a couple of scary players north of the Green Line (Turkish Cypriots) that could have made a great team or partner for a Greek Cypriot player.

It gets HOT in the summer (115 degrees!), some of the most beautiful beaches in the Mediterranean, and more archeology per square foot than anywhere in the World.
 

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I was the U.S. Defense Attache there for three years (2010-2013)...Pretty sporty players, but not really in the same class as the rest of the field, IMHO, although a couple play regularly on the Euro Tour. There are a couple of scary players north of the Green Line (Turkish Cypriots) that could have made a great team or partner for a Greek Cypriot player.

It gets HOT in the summer (115 degrees!), some of the most beautiful beaches in the Mediterranean, and more archeology per square foot than anywhere in the World.
I go in oct/Nov and it’s perfect. I can imagine in the summers it’s super hot.
 

sjm

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Plenty of teams can with this, and that will make for great viewing. Short race events tend to be the most exciting to watch, and the early race to seven matches should offer some great theater.

Orcullo/Biado would have been roughly as strong as Sanchez-Ruiz/Alcaide, but Efren's presence in any event makes it a better event, and it would be nice if he, improbably, produced some of the old magic.

Based on this thread, Shane and Sky are a little under the radar, but they are among those that can win this.

Lo Ho Sum/Robbie Capito might be a live longshot.
 
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BMC361

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The top 16 sides were seeded based on the 2022 Nineball World Rankings with the remaining 16 teams becoming the unseeded players for the draw. Teams were picked based on the below criteria

  • 16 x – WPA Federation Allocations
  • 8 x – 2022 Nineball World Rankings
  • 8 x – Matchroom Wild Cards
 

CharlesUFarley

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It's BS to punish athletes for the actions of their government. Once you make a stand for one perceived atrocity, you'll have to do it for another. Watch, it will be another country next year, then three more the following year, then it will get to the point where nobody can play.
 

skogstokig

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It's BS to punish athletes for the actions of their government. Once you make a stand for one perceived atrocity, you'll have to do it for another. Watch, it will be another country next year, then three more the following year, then it will get to the point where nobody can play.

i agree. but in this event i can understand it a little bit, as it's russia vs "country x" etc and not fedor vs filler. it may be a bad look for the promoter. in the individual tournaments it's nonsense. they're individuals, playing american pool. they don't want this war bs. they're still banned from the eurotour because of the actions of their autocrat president
 

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Surprised to see so little discussion of the Ko brothers. Not only are they highest average Fargo Rating in this event, but they train together constantly and know each other's games better than any other pairing outside of maybe Alcaide and FSR.
 

sjm

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Surprised to see so little discussion of the Ko brothers. Not only are they highest average Fargo Rating in this event, but they train together constantly and know each other's games better than any other pairing outside of maybe Alcaide and FSR.
At the recent UK Open, Ko Ping Chung tied for 25th and Ko Pin Yi tied for 97th. I'm not convinced they've returned to their pre-pandemic form quite yet. Needless to say, they have the gear to win if they find their best.
 

CharlesUFarley

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i agree. but in this event i can understand it a little bit, as it's russia vs "country x" etc and not fedor vs filler. it may be a bad look for the promoter. in the individual tournaments it's nonsense. they're individuals, playing american pool. they don't want this war bs. they're still banned from the eurotour because of the actions of their autocrat president
But if I'm not mistaken, Fedor as an individual is barred from all Matchroom events (I could be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere). Then what about players from China, for instance? Are there no atrocities being committed by their government? This is the slippery slope I was talking about. If we start punishing individual players for the actions of their governments, we'll find something about every country that disqualifies their players.
 

sjm

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It's BS to punish athletes for the actions of their government. Once you make a stand for one perceived atrocity, you'll have to do it for another. Watch, it will be another country next year, then three more the following year, then it will get to the point where nobody can play.
The sanctions were for waging war through an unprovoked attack, not for atrocities. Predicting that many other countries, maybe even every country, will do the same doesn’t make sense. Like you, I don’t like the ban imposed, but I don’t see this as the beginning of a trend in which the players of many nations will be banned.
 

336Robin

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It is a sad time in the world. I don't think there is anywhere one could go to get away from the bs of this age.

But if I'm not mistaken, Fedor as an individual is barred from all Matchroom events (I could be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere). Then what about players from China, for instance? Are there no atrocities being committed by their government? This is the slippery slope I was talking about. If we start punishing individual players for the actions of their governments, we'll find something about every country that disqualifies their players.
The sanctions were for waging war through an unprovoked attack, not for atrocities. Predicting that many other countries, maybe even every country, will do the same doesn’t make sense. Like you, I don’t like the ban imposed, but I don’t see this as the beginning of a trend in which the players of many nations will be banned.
 
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kling&allen

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The sanctions were for waging war through an unprovoked attack, not for atrocities. Predicting that many other countries, maybe even every country, will do the same doesn’t make sense. Like you, I don’t like the ban imposed, but I don’t see this as the beginning of a trend in which the players of many nations will be banned.
Nor, other than the Wimbledon tennis tournament, has any other sport had the stupidity to apply the ban to professional events. It was good to see the ATP and professional tennis players openly criticize Wimbledon's actions. Too bad Matchroom and others didn't speak up for Tkach and Gorst.
 

sjm

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Too bad Matchroom and others didn't speak up for Tkach and Gorst.
Disagree. This was never Matchroom's fight to fight. This ban comes at the WCBS (World Confederation of Billiard Sports) level, which covers carom, snooker and pool. WCBS is an arm of the IOC. In the case of pool, we're talking about the WPA, pool's delegate to the WCBS.

Matchroom and CSI/Predator run WPA sanctioned events, and that's to the benefit of all the players, but failure to abide by WPA policies and rulings would likely cost them such sanctioning and would deny participants in their events WPA ranking points. In addition, prize funds could possibly drop, as WPA minimums would no longer be requisite.

Matchroom and CSI/Predator, to their credit, are choosing to abide by, rather than fight, rules as handed down by WPA. That's just as it should be, and I applaud both of them for doing so.

Let's not pretend that Matchroom is Europe's delegate to the WPA or that CSI/Predator is the American delegate to the WPA. Europe's delegate to the WPA is the European Pocket Billiards Federation (EPBF) and America's is the Billiard Congress of America (BCA).
 

kling&allen

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Disagree. This was never Matchroom's fight to fight. This ban comes at the WCBS (World Confederation of Billiard Sports) level, which covers carom, snooker and pool. WCBS is an arm of the IOC. In the case of pool, we're talking about the WPA, pool's delegate to the WCBS.

Matchroom and CSI/Predator run WPA sanctioned events, and that's to the benefit of all the players, but failure to abide by WPA policies and rulings would likely cost them such sanctioning and would deny participants in their events WPA ranking points. In addition, prize funds could possibly drop, as WPA minimums would no longer be requisite.

Matchroom and CSI/Predator, to their credit, are choosing to abide by, rather than fight, rules as handed down by WPA. That's just as it should be, and I applaud both of them for doing so.

Let's not pretend that Matchroom is Europe's delegate to the WPA or that CSI/Predator is the American delegate to the WPA. Europe's delegate to the WPA is the European Pocket Billiards Federation (EPBF) and America's is the Billiard Congress of America (BCA).

Yes. I appreciate the political underpinnings of the various fancy federations with their very important bureaucrats. Matchroom, Predator, and CSI could have spoken up while still complying with the WPA ban. That's what happened in Tennis and even F1 with their various promoters. I was surprised that Matchroom (Emily) was so silent after going to such great (and important) lengths to promote Tkach in past years.

Nor should you applaud anyone for mindlessly following discriminatory dictates of some federation. Should pool tournaments have applauded the ban on African American players in the 1960s because "that's just as it should be"?
 
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