About ID'ing this cue again....

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To me it looks like a Palmer but the rings don't look right. Has the cue been repaired? The only cue from that age that had that color rings that I have seen is a old viking cue. the tricolor wrap is common for those old cues. Alot of them were on palmers. I am not sure if Viking used it but it was a commonly used wrap for the time period. Hope it helps.
 
itsjustjay said:
Looks like it may be a Palmer. What do you guys think?

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Check out this cue thats up for auction.....looks quite similar.

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OK - I'm going to try to help.

The cue looks like a Palmer model A from the 2nd catalog. I believe it is, however, I believe that the inlays have been added after the fact. None of their cues based on the bar cue had inlays like that, and they don't look quite right on the cue.

I have not seen another palmer with red rings, but they made a lot of different custom touches.

Does a Meucci or huebler shaft screw into the joint screw? If so, it's a 5/16 X 18 joint and probably a Palmer. Look into the butt cap too - you sould see a flat headed slot screw. These were made to be played without a rubber bumper, so there should only be a 5/8" hole and no inset for the bumper to seat. There should be a flat headed weight bolt, most likely slotted. The white buttcap should measure 1 3/8". Each of the plastic bands on the buttcap are 1/2".

Let me know.

Chris
 
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TATE said:
OK - I'm going to try to help.

The cue looks like a Palmer model A from the 2nd catalog. I believe it is, however, I believe that the inlays have been added after the fact. None of their cues based on the bar cue had inlays like that, and they don't look quite right on the cue.

I have not seen another palmer with red rings, but they made a lot of different custom touches.

Does a Meucci or huebler shaft screw into the joint screw? If so, it's a 5/16 X 18 joint and probably a Palmer. Look into the butt cap too - you sould see a flat headed slot screw. These were made to be played without a rubber bumper, so there should only be a 5/8" hole and no inset for the bumper to seat. There should be a flat headed weight bolt, most likely slotted. The white buttcap should measure 1 3/8". Each of the plastic bands on the buttcap are 1/2".

Let me know.

Chris
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i once had a palmer with the red rings like that with 4 points. the other cue he pointed out for auction just might be my old palmer seeing how the seller only lives about 5 miles from me. anyway, mine was identical to that one. so palmer did use red rings...............................mike
 
cueball1950 said:
i once had a palmer with the red rings like that with 4 points. the other cue he pointed out for auction just might be my old palmer seeing how the seller only lives about 5 miles from me. anyway, mine was identical to that one. so palmer did use red rings...............................mike
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Mike,

I'm talking about the red pearlized joint and shaft collars. I've never seen them in that color on a Palmer - plus this cue has an extra black ring next to the joint collar which the Palmer "A"'s don't have. Kind of perplexing. i'm wondering if this cue hasn't been re-worked when they did the extra inlays.

Chris
 
TATE said:
OK - I'm going to try to help.

The cue looks like a Palmer model A from the 2nd catalog. I believe it is, however, I believe that the inlays have been added after the fact. None of their cues based on the bar cue had inlays like that, and they don't look quite right on the cue.

I have not seen another palmer with red rings, but they made a lot of different custom touches.

Does a Meucci or huebler shaft screw into the joint screw? If so, it's a 5/16 X 18 joint and probably a Palmer. Look into the butt cap too - you sould see a flat headed slot screw. These were made to be played without a rubber bumper, so there should only be a 5/8" hole and no inset for the bumper to seat. There should be a flat headed weight bolt, most likely slotted. The white buttcap should measure 1 3/8". Each of the plastic bands on the buttcap are 1/2".

Let me know.

Chris
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Thanks for your help Chris. Ive only been collecting for a few months but I have learned a lot in that short time. I really just want to find out the maker so I can put this to rest. I just like knowing what I have. I noticed its not so easy collecting cues though. At least old ones.

Anyway, I dont have a Meucci or Hubler. I have an Original Palmer but its out for a wrap and tip/fer. All the other cues I have dont fit except for an older plain jane Adam cue. It has a low profile bumper inset and has a flat head screw inside. The bands are 1/2 inch each and the butt cap is 1 3/8. The cue has no finish on it except for maybe a hand oil type (which is why I though it was quite old). The MOP is real and seems to be put on correctly. No idea if its newer or not. Thsi cue was originally found at an estate sale along with another high end cue that I also have. I was told the other cue was a vintage Jensen. Hope this info helps.

Let me know what you think Chris.
 
itsjustjay said:
Looks like it may be a Palmer. What do you guys think?

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Check out this cue thats up for auction.....looks quite similar.

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The cue in the auction is 100% a Palmer. If you twisted my arm, I would say the red ring cue is a Karl Meyer. Karl worked for Palmer in the 60's and early 70's. He also made cues on his own during that time. He was making cues as little as 3 years ago, before his death last year. His cues are very similar to Palmers and constantly mistaken for them. 90% of his cues were made from house cues, he often inlaid them, and those inlays are from that time period. A friend of mine had a recent cue from him and it had the same exact ring pattern but with a newer steel joint. When he gets back from Spain, if he still has the cue I will shoot a few pics. Karl will be in the new BB supposedly, but he was very hard to get any info on, so I am sure it will be a small section.

Joe
 
classiccues said:
The cue in the auction is 100% a Palmer. If you twisted my arm, I would say the red ring cue is a Karl Meyer. Karl worked for Palmer in the 60's and early 70's. He also made cues on his own during that time. He was making cues as little as 3 years ago, before his death last year. His cues are very similar to Palmers and constantly mistaken for them. 90% of his cues were made from house cues, he often inlaid them, and those inlays are from that time period. A friend of mine had a recent cue from him and it had the same exact ring pattern but with a newer steel joint. When he gets back from Spain, if he still has the cue I will shoot a few pics. Karl will be in the new BB supposedly, but he was very hard to get any info on, so I am sure it will be a small section.

Joe
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Joe,

Thanks for the info, very helpful. I think you got it.

Chris
 
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classiccues said:
The cue in the auction is 100% a Palmer. If you twisted my arm, I would say the red ring cue is a Karl Meyer. Karl worked for Palmer in the 60's and early 70's. He also made cues on his own during that time. He was making cues as little as 3 years ago, before his death last year. His cues are very similar to Palmers and constantly mistaken for them. 90% of his cues were made from house cues, he often inlaid them, and those inlays are from that time period. A friend of mine had a recent cue from him and it had the same exact ring pattern but with a newer steel joint. When he gets back from Spain, if he still has the cue I will shoot a few pics. Karl will be in the new BB supposedly, but he was very hard to get any info on, so I am sure it will be a small section.

Joe
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Thanks for that info Joe. Someone mentioned his name before. I looked him up in the BB and his address is in the next town over from me. I tried to aquire a phone # but had no luck. Now I know why since he has passed on. I wish I knew about him a few years ago. I would have loved to purchase a cue from him. Please post a pic of your friends cue when he gets back (if he still has it). I would love to see it.
 
Hi,

Kinda looks like the red ring version of this one...

Steve
 

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