Advice for beginner cues?

DeeDeeCues

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I like the wrap on that. Hoping I won't regret going wrapless. I liked it on the old Brunswick I had .... until it stated unwrapping. Is there a glue or something I can put on that to keep it from further coming undone? It's not worth sending off for a re-wrap.

Not really. You could rewrap by hand. It can look fine, doesn't take too long, but won't be as smooth as a proper job.

I used to use linen wrapped cues, but now am exclusive to wrapless or my own version of stacked leather.
 

Cue Alchemist

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Decided on a David Schmelke. I got an R080, 19 oz., no upgrades (Older model with some defects in the inlay, thus $150). I sort of realized most of their cues in that price range are the same, it's the aesthetics that changes, not performance. No wrap. The wrap is coming off of the Brunswick cue I have / like and that's a bit disappointing as a rewrap plus shipping both ways is more than the cue is worth! I'll skip the wrap for now. I feel like this is going to be a good starter cue that's going to last the time of my playing.

I did get a J&J break cue despite some recommendations to skip it. I wanted to try one and they were on sale for $70. If it's a waste, I'm sure I can recoup most of the cost via craigslist. If not, I've made bigger mistakes that $70.

Thanks for the help pointing me in the right direction.

Eric
Both solid choices, thay will serve you well. what kind of tip did you go with, on the playing cue?
 

Eric M.

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I ended up going with the Schmelke Soft. I thought it would be a good starter since I have the break cue and didn't need to worry about flattening it.
 

Cue Alchemist

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I ended up going with the Schmelke Soft. I thought it would be a good starter since I have the break cue and didn't need to worry about flattening it.
That's a new one on me, see how you go with it. you play enough with it, after a while it will end up, playing something like a medium.
Enjoy your new gear!!
 

ddg45

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I checked out the Schmelke site. Lots of options there. J&J has some reasonable break cues, but so does Schmelke.
I'm narrowing it down!
Schmelke is a good option for an American-made cue at a very reasonable price. They are not, however, adjustable for weight. Many times here the consensus has been that Players cues are the best entry-level cue on the market. Standard 5/6x18 joint that allows you to change shafts later if you wish. I know a couple guys that will break and run on you all the time and they still play with a Players cue they've had for 20 years.
 

Eric M.

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I wanted to thank everyone for their input and follow up with my purchases for any other beginners with the same question. I’ve now been playing with both cues for about a month.

The J&J break cue showed up first. I was expecting hard, well spread out breaks right out of the box. That wasn’t the case, there’s still a lot to learn, but my breaks are improving at a much faster pace than with the playing cue I was using. In fact, I’ve gone back to my old cue a few times to make sure it wasn’t just me that was improving, it wasn’t. I don’t see myself ever breaking with anything but a break cue from here on out. I have no doubt that someone could get to a point where they break just as well with a playing cue but this seems like such a quicker way to improve your breaks. It’s heavier and has more power when breaking. The shaft is thicker and deflects less. The ferrule and tip are both phenolic and don’t absorb any energy when breaking and makes them both more durable. The tip is 14 mm so you get spread out impact with less chance of miscue. Also, my 11 year old son is really getting into pool and the break cue makes breaking much easier for him! Lastly, I can’t help but feel like breaks pound the snot out of my cue. Better I beat up a $70 break cue that was built for abuse instead of my playing cue.

The Schmelke playing cue showed up next. David recommended the 13 mm shaft since I am a beginner. I’d been playing with a 12 mm that came with the table and had read that smaller tips can be more accurate. I was a little concerned when the Schmelke showed up, that I’d made a mistake. I put it together and played my best game to date. I’ve been playing with it for about a month and can say it’s made a difference. I do believe the 12 mm tip would be more accurate, I’m just not good enough to take advantage of it, the 13 mm tip seems more forgiving. I went with the Schmelke soft tip as everything else was more expensive and I had no experience with tips. David had suggested it as a good starter tip as well.

Best of all, both cues are well built, reputable cues which are allowing me to learn a bit more about deflection, difference between hard / soft tips, tip / shaft diameter, etc., which were all a mystery to me when using the collecting of vintage, warped, no name cues that came with the table.

I’ll add this for other beginners. The least expensive Schmelke cue (MO10) is no different than what I got. It offers the same upgrades and will perform the same. The only difference between that model and probably the next 15 in that line up is the inlay on the forearm. Something to keep in mind if you’re on a budget.

Lastly, I had the opportunity to use a cue with an 88.2 harness Water Buffalo tip after I got the Schmelke. Having used the soft tip, I was finally able to feel the difference of a hard tip. There is a lot more feedback and feeling with the hard tip. It didn’t change my game one way or the other and I don’t regret the soft tip I got. But, if you have a chance to experiment with a soft and hard tip, do so before purchasing, you may prefer the feeling of the hard tip. It’ll cost you $20 to $40 more but may be worth it if that’s the direction you’re leaning. Everyone says choose a cue and stick with it. Improve your game with that cue, don’t keep changing cues, tips, shafts, etc. If you like the feel of a hard tip, it’s probably better to start with a hard tip.

Maybe others with more experience can comment on tips for beginners. That wasn’t something we touched on much above.

Thanks again, I’m really enjoying both of these cues.
 

Cue Alchemist

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Glad it worked out for you! And you didn't waste your money.
Long may the improvements continue!! Btw those buffalo tips, might be on the very hard side. But you get a nice one, thay can play very nice. If buy any new tips in the future.
I would recommend a black meduim Ultraskin tip. Or a nice triangle. You can buy them in packs of 3. That really doesn't matter for the moment. The main thing is, your enjoying your new cue.
 

Texas Carom Club

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simple lepro or triangle is all thats needed

i found a house cue in my pool room i had to have so i bought it had it converted and playing some of my best 8 ball with it, breaks like a monster
cost me 10 to buy it and 35 to convert. using the same tip they put on it for house use to play and break . couldnt be more happy, love the simplicity and how people hate to get beat by a house cue lol
broke and made a few hundred bucks on a 10ball pot with it as well

youll try many things as you progess as a player just know anyone can buy any piece of equipment but no one can buy a stroke
 

Agent 99

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Buy an all carbon fiber Becue and never have to buy another cue for the rest of your life. Cost about 1K, a few hundred more than you are looking to spend, but in the long run you will save a lot of money. Now you can focus on finding the tip you prefer and then forget about cues and practice, practice, practice.
 

Eric M.

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Ok, I understand, perhaps it can be your next and last cue?
That I like.
I saw a lot of interesting cues out there, I just had no idea what would be best for me.
Already I'm thinking down the line I may want to experiment with different tips and stiffer shafts, but for now, I gotta work on my game, maybe make a few friends with different cues I could try, check some out at shops, etc.

I just needed a starting point that wouldn't break the bank.
 

trob

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I've been playing a short time now but am already seeing the difference between the no name cues that came with the table and the one half-way decent Brunswick cue we have (Circa 1980 .... I think). I'd like to upgrade but really have no idea what would be next. I see cues from all sorts of manufactures, each have at least 10 different models and prices from $80 to $800 and more.

I'd also like to try a break cue.

Any advice would be helpful. I have no problem buying used, infact, I'd probably prefer that.
I am a beginner and am on a budget. Plus, I'm pretty sure I would not be able to realize or appreciate the performances of an $800 cue at this point.

Thanks,

Eric
Personally I think a new player should stick to a stiffer shaft with less spin. I always say get a players or a Lucasi They make some nice looking cues. They aren’t crazy expensive so if you stop playing your not out a lot of cash. If you want to move up in price a McDermott plays very good for a new player as well.
 

NevadaP

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Personally I think a new player should stick to a stiffer shaft with less spin. I always say get a players or a Lucasi They make some nice looking cues. They aren’t crazy expensive so if you stop playing your not out a lot of cash. If you want to move up in price a McDermott plays very good for a new player as well.
This is good advice. I've often wondered why Lucasi cues are not more popular. I have several and they are very popular with visitors to my table. They are attractive and not overly expensive. I used them as my player for a time before I had my first custom cue.
 

JustPlay

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Buy an expensive cue. Make sure it looks good with points, ivory joint, etc. and buy a nice case as well. Reason being, you'll look like a real experienced pool player. Now you may not be. However, you'll be forced to get busy and play many hours and learn many, many lessons just to match your new image. If you buy a lessor cue, you maybe inclined to just make it a passing hobby. If you can play at least 3-5 hours a day, seriously focus on your practice, in about eight to 12 weeks, you'll be pretty good. Good Luck and enjoy!
 

Eric M.

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If you can play at least 3-5 hours a day,
I got a job, wife and kids! Do you know what it took just to get a table in the living room? If I spend 5 hours a day playing on it, I'll be living under it on the streets!

I have about $240 in with the 2 cues. I'll play 1, maybe 2 hours a day, 5 - 6 days a week, and if I get better or start feeling like my cue is what's holding me back, I'll try something else.

I have a friend who road races his Viper. His puts out about 600 HP in stock form. He goes head to head with guys pushing 800 HP and every possible mod you can imagine. He beats most of them. He then goes up against a fellow in a 400 HP Focus and gets his butt handed to him. It's not all about the car, you gotta know how to drive it.

As said above, there are guys playing with modified house cues that can run the table against guys with $3K cues. I don't want to be the guy in the tricked out, 800 HP Viper that is making excuses why I always lose!
 

sbrownn

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I checked out the Schmelke site. Lots of options there. J&J has some reasonable break cues, but so does Schmelke.
I'm narrowing it down!
If you really want a break cue, I would order a Schmelke you like (I have referred them to at least 5 of my friends, 4 have ordered / purchases or are about to order) and order an extra shaft with a break tip. I have two Schemlke cues, two Carmeli cues (one is unplayed after being restored by him) and a Jim Pierce on order. One of my Schmelke cues has a Samsara break tip on it (my break cue, but is actually just a 19 oz playing cue) plus the other one is a custom sneaky pete with 4 beautiful spliced prongs of cocobolo plus joint and shaft to custom specs.
 

couldnthinkof01

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I got a job, wife and kids! Do you know what it took just to get a table in the living room? If I spend 5 hours a day playing on it, I'll be living under it on the streets!

I have about $240 in with the 2 cues. I'll play 1, maybe 2 hours a day, 5 - 6 days a week, and if I get better or start feeling like my cue is what's holding me back, I'll try something else.

I have a friend who road races his Viper. His puts out about 600 HP in stock form. He goes head to head with guys pushing 800 HP and every possible mod you can imagine. He beats most of them. He then goes up against a fellow in a 400 HP Focus and gets his butt handed to him. It's not all about the car, you gotta know how to drive it.

As said above, there are guys playing with modified house cues that can run the table against guys with $3K cues. I don't want to be the guy in the tricked out, 800 HP Viper that is making excuses why I always lose!
Your cue will never hold you back from playing good, regardless of cost. If it has a decent tip and is relatively straight you'll be fine.
 
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