Another How Would You Play This Shot that a "B" player messed it up Thread

td873

td873

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[edited: The 7 looked like it was straight-in in the original post. It isn't. So I edited the Wei to clarify]

Here is another simple out that many B players mess up and many more C players get wrong. It appears simple at first glance, but please pay attention to the angle to pocket the 7.

Can you figure out the common error(s)? And the right play?
Hint - there are actually 2 errors, one is a critical flaw, and one less dramatic. Rep to those that identify both. Note: the 7 isn't straight-in. Russ caught this, so I edited the Wei].

-td

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I probably fall right into that category of new inexperienced player you're referring to, so I'll take a fresh crack at it while there are no responses! I'd probably hit it slightly above center and lots of left, hoping to come off the short rail, then the long rail, then come back to be behind the 8. I've never used wei, but I'll see if I can figure it out for this one!

-J

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Draw it right back to where it is (making it in the CENTER of the pocket, btw..), then cut the 8 in with a tip of draw, medium firm.

Common error is to attempt to follow this ball to the rail with outside spin. Shanking it, of course, and throwing the OB into the top pocket face.

Russ
 
td873 said:
Here is another simple out that many B players mess up and many more C players get wrong. It appears simple at first glance, but please pay attention to the angle to pocket the 7.

Can you figure out the common error? And the right play?

-td

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This is just a simple case of shooting the ball in with a little inside draw. You're next shot on the 8 has you coming back off the rail nicely for the 9.
 
Russ Chewning said:
Draw it right back to where it is (making it in the CENTER of the pocket, btw..), then cut the 8 in with a tip of draw, medium firm.

Common error is to attempt to follow this ball to the rail with outside spin. Shanking it, of course, and throwing the OB into the top pocket face.

Russ
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Good catch. Unfortunately, I was not accurate in my drawing, as I attempted to eliminate the straight-in scenario. (I edited the Wei above and clarified this).

Rep for noticing.

-td
 
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so what did I do wrong...

the reason I haven't been using the wei table to be honest is that it's too easy to draw something that defies possibility.
 
I would hit this with just straight follow.

I think the common errors are using inside with the follow to make the CB go to the side rail...It really is not necessary...(maybe a touch if any)

The other error is probably not paying attention to the 9-ball and combined with the over use of inside english getting straght in on the 8.

(Depending on the bounce of the end rail and the speed of the table...this may actually take a little more stroke than one thinks)

(On extremly fast tables you can find yourself on the opposite end of the table real quick as well by overstroking it)
 
I agree with BRKNRUN. Twelve oclock high with a smooth stroke.....SPF=randyg
 
Neil said:
One of the common errors is to follow it (cheating the pocket a little) with top right. And then coming off the bottom rail right into the 8 instead of past it.

I'll let someone else get the other error.


edit: you posted while I was typing!
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Lol, sorry Neil. Free rep for you ;)

-td
 
BRKNRUN said:
I would hit this with just straight follow.

I think the common errors are using inside with the follow to make the CB go to the side rail...It really is not necessary...(maybe a touch if any)
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You found the big error. The critical component here is inside. If you use inside english you will be closing your angle on the 8, making it very difficult to get back to the 9. You might even get straight in, potentially ruining an out. Many "B" players shoot this with inside. I still don't know why. So the big issue is "don't use inside!" Just top.

Anyone find the other error?? Most A and above players should pick it out quickly. (just stirring the pot ;)).

-td
 
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I'd be a bit concerned with not getting my cue ball far enough down table after shooting the seven. I wouldn't want to have to stretch too much on the eight.

Hmm...maybe this is more of a concern for someone who is all of 5'5 (read: me).
 
td873 said:
You found the big error. The critical component here is inside. If you use inside english you will be closing your angle on the 8, making it very difficult to get back to the 9. So the big issue is "don't use inside!" Just top.

Anyone find the other error?? Most A and above players should pick it out quickly. (just stirring the pot ;)).

-td
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I would have to say trying to draw back, draw to the side rail and over or trying to go two rails off the end rail.

You would need a serious stroke to travel the necessary distance and or to get the CB spin to grab on the end rail to get it out the two rails.
 
td873 said:
Anyone find the other error??
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Anything else than going to the end rail and back out is going to make things more difficult than they need to be, IMO. For example, using draw is going to send you across the table away from the 8.
 
BRKNRUN said:
I would hit this with just straight follow.

I think the common errors are using inside with the follow to make the CB go to the side rail...It really is not necessary...(maybe a touch if any)

The other error is probably not paying attention to the 9-ball and combined with the over use of inside english getting straght in on the 8.

(Depending on the bounce of the end rail and the speed of the table...this may actually take a little more stroke than one thinks)

(On extremly fast tables you can find yourself on the opposite end of the table real quick as well by overstroking it)
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I second this.
 
BRKNRUN said:
I would hit this with just straight follow.

I think the common errors are using inside with the follow to make the CB go to the side rail...It really is not necessary...(maybe a touch if any)

The other error is probably not paying attention to the 9-ball and combined with the over use of inside english getting straght in on the 8.

(Depending on the bounce of the end rail and the speed of the table...this may actually take a little more stroke than one thinks)

(On extremly fast tables you can find yourself on the opposite end of the table real quick as well by overstroking it)
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I agree with this. Follow with just a touch of inside english. K.I.S.S. JMO

Southpaw
 
One critical mistake I see more often than not in a layout like this is getting good position on the eight, with the correct angle to go from the eight to the nine across the table, and scratch in the side.
 
I would have to be down on the shot to really know if I need a touch of inside english, but the thing I would be most concerned about is folowing it enough to guarantee an easy shot on the eight. It would be a sin to come up short when you can go two of three feet long and still have an easy shot. The next problem would be to make the eight without scratching in the side.
 
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