Any pro plays with 13mm shaft?

[one stroke]

Really? Mosconi himself, in his latest book, said he uses a 12.5 mm shaft. Evidence below.

Of course, I would want to get a micrometer on it, and his cues had multiple shafts. But, having attended the senior tournaments held, his shaft was definitely less than 13.

All the best, for evidence,
WW

My first book on pool wish I kept it ,,


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[one stroke]

The game can be played by never going outside 1 tip width of the cue ball on these fast cloths. In fact one's game will improve immensely doing just that.

I watched a snooker coach teaching more happens with less distance from center , if I can find it ill post it but he showed it time and time again


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[Bob Jewett]

The game can be played by never going outside 1 tip width of the cue ball on these fast cloths. In fact one's game will improve immensely doing just that.

Do you have any examples of top players who play like that?

 

[one stroke]

Do you have any examples of top players who play like that?

I will need to zoom in but I don't believe the Taiwan and Chinese play on the edges of the cue ball very often watching Siming if she did it was hard to see


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[Patrick Johnson]

The game can be played by never going outside 1 tip width of the cue ball on these fast cloths. In fact one's game will improve immensely doing just that.

Do you have any examples of top players who play like that?

The miscue limit is only ~14mm from centerball - "1 tip width of the cue ball" could mean maximum spin.

pj <- probably not
chgo

 

[Bob Jewett]

duplicate post......

 

[Bob Jewett]

I will need to zoom in but I don't believe the Taiwan and Chinese play on the edges of the cue ball very often watching Siming if she did it was hard to see


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Does she ever play lively draw?

A better way to see how far from center they hit is by looking at the action of the cue ball.

And if anyone needs a counterexample of a ball spinner: Efren.

 

[BC21]

Really? Mosconi himself, in his latest book, said he uses a 12.5 mm shaft. Evidence below.

Of course, I would want to get a micrometer on it, and his cues had multiple shafts. But, having attended the senior tournaments held, his shaft was definitely less than 13.

All the best, for evidence,
WW

In his 1st book he says his cue shaft is 13mm. Maybe as he aged and became a spokesman for Brunswick he used whatever they gave him. More than likely he didn't write the newer book, but had editors put out an updated edition of his little red book with more info in it. I no longer have that one....I only have his 1st.

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[Brazil]

I play with shafts that are 12.75 to 13mm. I have a few smaller diameter shafts that I got through trades etc. etc. I notice I get unwanted spin when I use the smaller diameter shafts, but probably my fault for a poor unrepeatable stroke.

 

[Runner]

I still have that Mosconi red book, also the later "Brunswick" one...
I came up playing 13mm.. the only cue that was under that
was a Palmer, and that was like 12.8mm.

I remember Parica playing 13mm, not using a lot of english, just
enough for position.

 

[GT819]

Discussions about shaft size are still going around? IMHO, anything above 13mm you might as well be shooting with a broom handle and below 12 (or 11 or less) you might as well use a wet noodle. Like Goldielocks (?) and the three bears, the one in between is just right... 13 mm.

 

[deanoc]

I recently bought an old palmer box cue
the shaft is 13.3 mm and the taper increases steadily.
Absolutely no pro taper at all

Someone on here wrote that you could get really low on the cue and fear no miscue

so i tried it at home,I am hitting lots of draw now,even on long shots,maybe5 or 6 feet from the object ball


I have always prefered this taper,but i never had iton a cue with this big a tip


I am going to buy a couple of shafts with this taper and smaller tip to see if
I like it better on my schons


Jack told me that Billy played with a 14 mm back at the cotton palace and he was the best player
I had ever seen

 

[336Robin]

You can say that til the cows come home but i for one can NOT play with anything under 12.5. Seems like i get spin when i need it the least with smaller shafts.

I agree, there is something different and perhaps its the slip factor because of
less tip surface when shots are cued off center but there is something. I played banks
with really good player and we discussed this at length. Both of us agreed that the
fatter shafted cues banked increasing better with more predictable results. You add any
spin whatsoever and it changes everything so you have to be able to control what you
add. Much less control available the smaller the tip in my opinion. Slip factor maybe but definitely something.

 

[Cornerman]

Lots of new-to-pool posters now. We live in an era that 12.75mm is the “logical” max.

Meucci cues were marketed as 13 1/8 mm (odd dimensioning, but that’s Bob Meucci) for decades. Joss Ltd were 13 1/4mm.

Someone could dig up the Billiards Digest article from the 90’s or 00’s where they asked a list of pros for their tip / shaft diameters. Many of the Meucci pros listed the 13 1/8, though they probably hadn’t measure after a while of sandpaper.

And Sigel says he “prefers” 12.8, although his measures out to 12.4 from use and sand.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

You can say that til the cows come home but i for one can NOT play with anything under 12.5. Seems like i get spin when i need it the least with smaller shafts.

I agree, there is something different and perhaps its the slip factor because of less tip surface when shots are cued off center but there is something.

Does it matter to you that you’re “agreeing” with the opposite effect? Tip slippage would mean less spin, not more.

And anyway, there’s no less tip surface contact with a smaller tip.

pj
chgo

 

[jtompilot]

The miscue limit is only ~14mm from centerball - "1 tip width of the cue ball" could mean maximum spin.

pj <- probably not
chgo

I don’t believe that for one second. When I walk the dog down the rail I’m so far on the edge. It takes a soft hit not to miscue.

 

[BC21]

You get a little more english using a 13mm or monster 14mm tip vs using a 12mm when gauging english by the tip, like saying "one tip" or "half tip" of english.

 

[evergruven]

I don’t believe that for one second. When I walk the dog down the rail I’m so far on the edge. It takes a soft hit not to miscue.

this got me curious, so I looked into it (I like living on the edge, too)-

according to dr. dave, "the miscue limit is generally accepted to be half the ball’s radius (0.5R) from center"
source: https://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2011/sept11.pdf

now if that's the deal, then the miscue limit does seem to be about 14mm.

a pool ball is 2.25 inches, 57.15mm wide-
half of that is 28.575mm-
and again, re: dr. dave, the miscue limit is half of that, 14.2875mm, so...

did I do that right?


now dr. dave also says, "If you hit farther from center than the miscue
limit, the tip will slip off the ball, resulting in a poor hit. "

my question is, even if technically-speaking we're shooting beyond the miscue limit, does that mean our shot will definitely result in "a poor hit?"

maybe it's just a matter of semantics, but that doesn't read right.

maybe breaking the miscue limit might increase the chances of miscueing, but doesn't necessarily mean one can't successfully shoot well doing so?

or in this case, is "a poor hit" one where ideal tip contact isn't occurring- but again, is this meant to mean a player can't execute a given shot? or is it just that the chances aren't as good...

seems like semantics, but I wonder what y'all'd say about it- ?

 

[BC21]

this got me curious, so I looked into it (I like living on the edge, too)-

according to dr. dave, "the miscue limit is generally accepted to be half the ball’s radius (0.5R) from center"
source: https://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2011/sept11.pdf

now if that's the deal, then the miscue limit does seem to be about 14mm.

a pool ball is 2.25 inches, 57.15mm wide-
half of that is 28.575mm-
and again, re: dr. dave, the miscue limit is half of that, 14.2875mm, so...

did I do that right?


now dr. dave also says, "If you hit farther from center than the miscue
limit, the tip will slip off the ball, resulting in a poor hit. "

my question is, even if technically-speaking we're shooting beyond the miscue limit, does that mean our shot will definitely result in "a poor hit?"

maybe it's just a matter of semantics, but that doesn't read right.

maybe breaking the miscue limit might increase the chances of miscueing, but doesn't necessarily mean one can't successfully shoot well doing so?

or in this case, is "a poor hit" one where ideal tip contact isn't occurring- but again, is this meant to mean a player can't execute a given shot? or is it just that the chances aren't as good...

seems like semantics, but I wonder what y'all'd say about it- ?

Probably has a lot to do with shaft deflection also. If the shaft is lighter on the end (LD shaft) it could be kicked off the cb easier when using extreme english. A heavier ended shaft (not LD) would hold its place a little better, but also cause the cb to squirt more.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The miscue limit is only ~14mm from centerball

I don’t believe that for one second. When I walk the dog down the rail I’m so far on the edge. It takes a soft hit not to miscue.

14mm is about halfway from center to edge of the CB. How far from center ball do you think you can hit without miscuing? Have you ever tested it - say by using a striped ball with the stripe vertical and centered and then checking the chalk mark after shooting?

pj <- what's "walking the dog"?
chgo