Pull up your pants now, you have shown your a** to the world !!!!!!!
APA you can....
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Its all in the thread about the new board members for the wpba but I tell ya..
Mark Griffen (sp) the Bcalp, Csi owner puts his name in the hat for a spot on the board of the wpba. The Apa writes a letter to the Wpba telling them if they vote him on the board they will pull their sponsership.
so lets assume its not petty for them to not use Diamond tables because he has a stake in that and they say there is a conflict of interest, wich is what ? making pool as good as it can be. If sombody thinks them writing a letter to a 3rd party threatening them is ok Im in the wrong game. That, by no stretch is right.
I dont know much but I do know Mark G. has done tons for pool and would be a great addition to any company / org. that wanted to move the game forward.
That action not only shows the apas true colors but is a slap in the face to every player on the tour. Its not whats good for the game/ tour its what the apa thinks might not be good for them. Like Marks first move would be to in anyway do somthing to pissoff one of the tours biggest sponsers.
Wow, just looking around it's quite obvious that there's room in the sandbox for everybody. In fact I think you could shoot a cannon off in the sandbox and not have a worry in the world about hitting sponsors.
This pretty silly if you ask me.
This pretty silly if you ask me.
APA apparently considers Mark a competitor and dosen't want him on a board they are sponsoring. I may not agree with them but can understand that. How many people sit on the same board for Pepsi & Coca Cola?
If APA was showing their ass they would of waited until Mark was on the board and then pulled their sponsorship. They just gave the WPBA a choice which was the right thing to do.
If APA was showing their ass they would of waited until Mark was on the board and then pulled their sponsorship. They just gave the WPBA a choice which was the right thing to do.
Sorry I have to disagree....
There is a simple word for what the APA did.
Extortion....
They didn't want Mark on the board and they had a sponsorship with the WPBA and they didn't want to pull their sponsorship, but instead wanted to use their sponsorship to force the board to do the apa's bidding.
If the board elected Mark and the APA decided to that it would be in their best interest to pull their sponsorship, that would be one thing, but they were interfering in business that really wasn't theirs, if it were their business, they would've been a voting member on the board.
Jaden
There is a simple word for what the APA did.
Extortion....
They didn't want Mark on the board and they had a sponsorship with the WPBA and they didn't want to pull their sponsorship, but instead wanted to use their sponsorship to force the board to do the apa's bidding.
If the board elected Mark and the APA decided to that it would be in their best interest to pull their sponsorship, that would be one thing, but they were interfering in business that really wasn't theirs, if it were their business, they would've been a voting member on the board.
Jaden
I think Extortion is somewhat extreme for what they did. Again I don't agree with what the APA did but understand why they did it. I also didn't agree with the APA when they pulled the Diamond tables out of their National tournament because of a simuliar situtation.
Pool should be promoted with everybody in the industry getting along with each other with the sole purpose of expanding the sport to higher levels.
True that! So basically what the OP stated was true, the APA has shown their a$$ by NOT getting along with Mark Griffin. I'm not taking sides here because I do not know a darn thing about Mark Griffin. But a LOT of people on this website think he's the nuts FOR the pool industry and I do not read anything on here to the contrary. The proper thing to do IMO, is to get people "on board" who will be good for the industry and work out their differences as they go. The APA made no attempt whatsoever to let this happen. In fact, they did just the opposite.
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In my eyes....
the Apa showed their a** by THREATENING a party that has nothing what soever to do with their little tiff with Mark. Extortion is pretty much what they did they made a threat to extort a perticular action. The Mob used the very same tactics rather well back in the day, do what we say or else.
Most of the time I just get on the APA bashing band wagon for fun because I think the way some of their stuff works is silly but this is in a whole Differant league. I cant beleave what they did is legal. Like one poster pointed out if the Wpba would have voted Mark on then they said We dont care for that move that would have been one thing but to threaten them to induce a action is wrong.....
I want to hear from Janette lee. If she is not upset at the simple fact that they threatent to cause harm to the tour she has played on for years I would be shocked. Screw the APA can you even begin to imagine how many people took a liking to pocket billiards because of her.....
And what about Ewa Laurence I guess she just bought a APA franchise in FL. so she is putting money in their pocket. Its just a guess but shes got to be close to one of the OG's (origanal girls, if that dont make ya smile, get out) of the Wpba....
HEY TERRY BELL, WHY DONT YOU QUIT THINKING ABOUT YOUR WALLET AND PUT THE GAME FIRST...... And dont give me this we do sooooo much for are members its their money you just give it back, well the part you dont keep
the Apa showed their a** by THREATENING a party that has nothing what soever to do with their little tiff with Mark. Extortion is pretty much what they did they made a threat to extort a perticular action. The Mob used the very same tactics rather well back in the day, do what we say or else.
Most of the time I just get on the APA bashing band wagon for fun because I think the way some of their stuff works is silly but this is in a whole Differant league. I cant beleave what they did is legal. Like one poster pointed out if the Wpba would have voted Mark on then they said We dont care for that move that would have been one thing but to threaten them to induce a action is wrong.....
I want to hear from Janette lee. If she is not upset at the simple fact that they threatent to cause harm to the tour she has played on for years I would be shocked. Screw the APA can you even begin to imagine how many people took a liking to pocket billiards because of her.....
And what about Ewa Laurence I guess she just bought a APA franchise in FL. so she is putting money in their pocket. Its just a guess but shes got to be close to one of the OG's (origanal girls, if that dont make ya smile, get out) of the Wpba....
HEY TERRY BELL, WHY DONT YOU QUIT THINKING ABOUT YOUR WALLET AND PUT THE GAME FIRST...... And dont give me this we do sooooo much for are members its their money you just give it back, well the part you dont keep
Damnit.. you know I really like their 9 ball system... but this is just absurd.. as if we needed more greed in this world.
This game could be a sanctuary but people like this just f everything up.
Time machine anyone???????
If there was a way to look ahead in time, it would be interesting to see what WOULD have happened had Mark been elected and THEN the APA pulled or threatened to pull there sponsorship out. I wonder if, in this scenario, the WPBA would have/could have tried to work out some sort of truce between Mark/them and the APA. It sounds like the WPBA chose the money over the right thing to do. I think the WPBA was probably glad the APA did what it did now. This way, at least they have egg on their face with the APA's money in hand as opposed to egg al a carte.
If there was a way to look ahead in time, it would be interesting to see what WOULD have happened had Mark been elected and THEN the APA pulled or threatened to pull there sponsorship out. I wonder if, in this scenario, the WPBA would have/could have tried to work out some sort of truce between Mark/them and the APA. It sounds like the WPBA chose the money over the right thing to do. I think the WPBA was probably glad the APA did what it did now. This way, at least they have egg on their face with the APA's money in hand as opposed to egg al a carte.
Well....
This puts the icing on the cake. The APA is a joke, and now they do not want to see pool be promoted to its fullest. I really wish the APA would cease to exist.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the APA is the worst league in pool, and I can't wait til the day they cease to exist.
This puts the icing on the cake. The APA is a joke, and now they do not want to see pool be promoted to its fullest. I really wish the APA would cease to exist.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the APA is the worst league in pool, and I can't wait til the day they cease to exist.
Pool should be promoted with everybody in the industry getting along with each other with the sole purpose of expanding the sport to higher levels.[/QUOTE]
I certainly agree with you and I wish that some how there could be a place where everyone could find common ground. However, Professional Billiards and Pool has not found that common ground, be it distributors of products, League organizations, or even the Professional Players themselves. To me the Corrupting focus appears to be self centered leadership and personal behavior in all the above areas on some level. People just don't realize that if all the infighting was set aside and that same energy was used to build the sport there could be unlimited room for growth.
I don't know what the answer is, but the real sad part is that the Leaders in our industry don't either or they are just to busy trying to second to none.
JIMO
It comes down to money.
Take the high road, thumb your nose at the APA and watch the money and the TV time dry up.
The WPBA most likely gets ESPN time because the APA is paying the advertising $ required for the time slot (or a big piece of it). They most likely also provide additional purse money for the toruneys.
I would bet the players want/need that APA sponsorship to make the whole thing worth while.
The APA said they had a problem with Mark and wouldn't do business with him (witness the Diamond fiasco and this current situation) and told the WPBA tour as much. The tour made a pragmatic decision to keep the money and the APA, while passing on Mark.
Should cuetec drop their sponsorship because most forum members here think they are nothing more than firewood.
Money makes the tour go. It is ironic that the 2 most reviled businesses in the game are the biggest sponsor of womens pool. Without them there is no ESPN.
Who is better for the tour? A guy with vision and great idea's or a couple of companies with deep pockets and an agenda?
Take the high road, thumb your nose at the APA and watch the money and the TV time dry up.
The WPBA most likely gets ESPN time because the APA is paying the advertising $ required for the time slot (or a big piece of it). They most likely also provide additional purse money for the toruneys.
I would bet the players want/need that APA sponsorship to make the whole thing worth while.
The APA said they had a problem with Mark and wouldn't do business with him (witness the Diamond fiasco and this current situation) and told the WPBA tour as much. The tour made a pragmatic decision to keep the money and the APA, while passing on Mark.
Should cuetec drop their sponsorship because most forum members here think they are nothing more than firewood.
Money makes the tour go. It is ironic that the 2 most reviled businesses in the game are the biggest sponsor of womens pool. Without them there is no ESPN.
Who is better for the tour? A guy with vision and great idea's or a couple of companies with deep pockets and an agenda?
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I am sorry - but you have made the APA sound a lot more generous than they are.
The APA does NOT pay the advertising dollars for the time slot. They also do not provide additional purse money for the events. The bulk of the money comes from the sites - that is the 'casinos'.
Brunswick USED to contribute a lot of money and the tables. Now they only provide the tables. WPBA has other sponsors and I think the APA 'might' be the biggest - but they do not pay 'that' much.
The problem with the position the APA took is that they are now dictating who the WPBA can do busines with. Historically, the only peole who really sponsor pool are from the industry - so there is always an element of conflict. Tha is just the way it is.
I have had an interest in getting involved with the WPBA - but I am prohibited by the terms of the contract with the APA. So the WPBA has limited their sponsor base in a very small pool of potential sponsors.
TV is a double edged sword. Most of the sponsor money goes toward the production costs. Which is then 'given' to ESPN. This means the players are playing for peanuts - and most cannot survive. So-in reality, TV is busting out pool. Not an ideal situation!
And there is an answer! BUT - that is what I will do. . . . .(soon as I get back from the US Open) lol
mark Griffin
markg@playbca.com
702-835-2000
I am sorry - but you have made the APA sound a lot more generous than they are.
The APA does NOT pay the advertising dollars for the time slot. They also do not provide additional purse money for the events. The bulk of the money comes from the sites - that is the 'casinos'.
Brunswick USED to contribute a lot of money and the tables. Now they only provide the tables. WPBA has other sponsors and I think the APA 'might' be the biggest - but they do not pay 'that' much.
The problem with the position the APA took is that they are now dictating who the WPBA can do busines with. Historically, the only peole who really sponsor pool are from the industry - so there is always an element of conflict. Tha is just the way it is.
I have had an interest in getting involved with the WPBA - but I am prohibited by the terms of the contract with the APA. So the WPBA has limited their sponsor base in a very small pool of potential sponsors.
TV is a double edged sword. Most of the sponsor money goes toward the production costs. Which is then 'given' to ESPN. This means the players are playing for peanuts - and most cannot survive. So-in reality, TV is busting out pool. Not an ideal situation!
And there is an answer! BUT - that is what I will do. . . . .(soon as I get back from the US Open) lol
mark Griffin
markg@playbca.com
702-835-2000