Aramith Blue Circle Cue Ball

[Bavafongoul]

I own about a dozen or so different sets of balls, but I see you have 3 sets of Centennials. What led you to purchase multiple sets of the exact same type versus all different for variety? Just curious.

Obviously I like the Centennial design the most of any other pool balls.
The reason for 3 sets is I try to keep a brand new set as a reserve set.
It sits on my shelf ready to be put in action whenever needed or desired.

Then I have a set that’s in a travel case and the balls are in pristine shape.
The last set is everyday use Centennials for pool hall use. I have a Ballstar
machine so those balls still have great luster but show signs of use, i.e., nicks.

The same might be asked of me why do I carry six cues in a cue case? Why
not just a couple? I suppose it’s since I can’t really decide which ones to carry.

So rather than wonder about the cues I could have brought with me, I just take
‘em all & just randomly pick a cue which is really enjoyable since they all match.

 

[mrpiper]

Obviously I like the Centennial design the most of any other pool balls.
The reason for 3 sets is I try to keep a brand new set as a reserve set.
It sits on my shelf ready to be put in action whenever needed or desired.

Then I have a set that’s in a travel case and the balls are in pristine shape.
The last set is everyday use Centennials for pool hall use. I have a Ballstar
machine so those balls still have great luster but show signs of use, i.e., nicks.

The same might be asked of me why do I carry six cues in a cue case? Why
not just a couple? I suppose it’s since I can’t really decide which ones to carry.

So rather than wonder about the cues I could have brought with me, I just take
‘em all & just randomly pick a cue which is really enjoyable since they all match.

I love the Centennials as well. I would also suspect that playing with such a level of consistency may actually help your game as well. It was my first set. I played them for 18 years on my home table and they still looked almost perfect. I sold them recently for about $25 less than I paid for them all those years ago. I used the money to buy a set of Acros II Predators which I also really like a lot. They have a very similar look to the Centennials but in different colors. Should I find a good value in a set of Centennials I will probably add them back to my rotation. I like a different set every few weeks. Honestly your way is likely better for my game, but to me, it just keeps the table fresh and interesting.

As for the cue case, that's probably a much more advance player thought than me. I have a 2X4 for my player and my break cue. I suppose if I had a bigger case it WOULD be an excuse for me to buy more cues that I don't need and wouldn't make me play better! Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

 

[Bavafongoul]

I love the Centennials as well. I would also suspect that playing with such a level of consistency may actually help your game as well. It was my first set. I played them for 18 years on my home table and they still looked almost perfect. I sold them recently for about $25 less than I paid for them all those years ago. I used the money to buy a set of Acros II Predators which I also really like a lot. They have a very similar look to the Centennials but in different colors. Should I find a good value in a set of Centennials I will probably add them back to my rotation. I like a different set every few weeks. Honestly your way is likely better for my game, but to me, it just keeps the table fresh and interesting.

As for the cue case, that's probably a much more advance player thought than me. I have a 2X4 for my player and my break cue. I suppose if I had a bigger case it WOULD be an excuse for me to buy more cues that I don't need and wouldn't make me play better! Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Stick with what you have. Do not emulate my approach. Every year I took an IRA withdrawal, it was time to think about ordering another cue. If I had to do over, I’d probably only get 4 cues since I have 4 children. The cue makers would be top names like Hercek, Szamboti, Prewitt, Scruggs and at the same time, I’d likely have saved money too. My cues are
meant to be keepsakes or heirlooms for my children. The problem became after I had 4 cues, I kept coming up with
new cue designs in my head that I couldn’t resist not seeing come to fruition so I kept ordering more customs. It was
Deanoc’s fault. He introduced me to Bob Owen and Jerry Rauenzahn and those guys were an absolute delight to work
with. So after each made me a cue, I had them make another design I had in mind. I’d still be doing it if the ivory ban
hadn’t come along. No cue plays better than the one you own and enjoy. And if there is one, don’t bother looking. The
search will never end and it can become quite expensive as I found out. Stick with what you got and maybe a CF shaft.

 

[neolux]

IMO a set of Dyna Bronze and one of these cb's would be the nuts. 150bux total outlay.

I bought a set of dynosphere silvers from West State Billiards when they were on sale via amazon. I was skeptical at first but they do play very well. a lot of elasticity and action with those balls. They almost play like the Cyclops Laden or Hyperion set. I have a set of Brunswick TV tournament balls. They don't seem to play as well as my set of aramith crown standard or the dynosphere Silvers. It must be the material composition between the manufacturers.. which I know has been discussed in great detail here on AZ billiards.

 

[George the Greek]

I have an old blue circle in my case that's not even white anymore. I used to switch it with the cueball in the poolroom set when playing because alot of them were lighter and worn out.

 

[Benelli]

I bought a set of dynosphere silvers from West State Billiards when they were on sale via amazon. I was skeptical at first but they do play very well. a lot of elasticity and action with those balls. They almost play like the Cyclops Laden or Hyperion set. I have a set of Brunswick TV tournament balls. They don't seem to play as well as my set of aramith crown standard or the dynosphere Silvers. It must be the material composition between the manufacturers.. which I know has been discussed in great detail here on AZ billiards.

So those Brunswick Centennial TV's are a more dense resin than the Dynaspheres or the Crown Standards. They're made by Aramith but of a much higher quality than either of your other two sets.

I know when I swap between my Dynaspheres (Silver, Bronze, Tungsten) and Aramith Tournament, Super Pro, Centennials or Predators the first thing I notice is the Dynaspeheres are much much lighter and don't require the same level of power to push around the table. I have to be much more precise with the higher-end Aramith balls and tend to get more ringers that bounce out if I get sloppy with my shot.

Those Centennials are outstanding balls, I would play more with that set till you get used to that ball action and then compare and contrast with the other sets again.

 

[buckshotshoey]

So those Brunswick Centennial TV's are a more dense resin than the Dynaspheres or the Crown Standards. They're made by Aramith but of a much higher quality than either of your other two sets.

I know when I swap between my Dynaspheres (Silver, Bronze, Tungsten) and Aramith Tournament, Super Pro, Centennials or Predators the first thing I notice is the Dynaspeheres are much much lighter and don't require the same level of power to push around the table. I have to be much more precise with the higher-end Aramith balls and tend to get more ringers that bounce out if I get sloppy with my shot.

Those Centennials are outstanding balls, I would play more with that set till you get used to that ball action and then compare and contrast with the other sets again.

Read this then get back to us.

Pool Ball Weights

I was bored today so I weighed some of the ball sets I have for comparison purposes. About the sets at time of weight: Aramith Tournament Set: Brand new, used a few times Brunswick Centennial Set 1: Brand new, used a few times Brunswick...

forums.azbilliards.com

 

[Benelli]

Read this then get back to us.

Pool Ball Weights

I was bored today so I weighed some of the ball sets I have for comparison purposes. About the sets at time of weight: Aramith Tournament Set: Brand new, used a few times Brunswick Centennial Set 1: Brand new, used a few times Brunswick...

forums.azbilliards.com

Don't need to read it (it is a great post though), I own all those sets and have weighed them myself, also play with them all regularly.

But love your useless pithy comment neverless.

Can't wait for your insightful analysis of how all Aramith resins recipes are all the same and identical to the Dynaspheres with your accompanying chemical analysis and Mass Spectrometry data.

 

[jtompilot]

This is absolutely correct.

I bought three brand new ones a while back…two are still unhit.

They play heavier than the measles balls, too.

Can someone set up a Ramp for the cue balls to crash into a cluster and measure how far the cue ball travels after contact. I think all this “it plays heavier” is total BS.

Where’s Dr. Dave when you need him

 

[Benelli]

Can someone set up a r

Can someone set up a Ramp for the cue balls to crash into a cluster and measure how far the cue ball travels after contact. I think all this “it plays heavier” is total BS.

Where’s Dr. Dave when you need him

Personally, I think it boils down to differences in the composition of the resins and how the directional force is transferred/carried through the ball.

You're basically measuring both the elastic rebound and energy transference of the different formulations of the resin to see if one formulation is bouncier than another or if one formulation dampens the amount of kinetic energy passed through.

I have always interpreted the "plays heavier" comment to mean the ball absorbs more energy and there is less transference from the cue to the object ball or from the struck object ball into a second ball.

Here is a whitepaper celebrating 100 years of Phenolic resin, there are some interesting parts...

 

[buckshotshoey]

Don't need to read it (it is a great post though), I own all those sets and have weighed them myself, also play with them all regularly.

But love your useless pithy comment neverless.

Can't wait for your insightful analysis of how all Aramith resins recipes are all the same and identical to the Dynaspheres with your accompanying chemical analysis and Mass Spectrometry data.

Screw off troll.

 

[neolux]

So those Brunswick Centennial TV's are a more dense resin than the Dynaspheres or the Crown Standards. They're made by Aramith but of a much higher quality than either of your other two sets.

I know when I swap between my Dynaspheres (Silver, Bronze, Tungsten) and Aramith Tournament, Super Pro, Centennials or Predators the first thing I notice is the Dynaspeheres are much much lighter and don't require the same level of power to push around the table. I have to be much more precise with the higher-end Aramith balls and tend to get more ringers that bounce out if I get sloppy with my shot.

Those Centennials are outstanding balls, I would play more with that set till you get used to that ball action and then compare and contrast with the other sets again.

Thank you for your comments and feedback. Yes. I am going to start playing with my centennial set, again. I have an old set of super Pros from the 1990s with the triangle cue ball which I also play with on occasion. I know that the super pros and centennials are made of the same resin. Yes. The dynospheres definitely have more elasticity and have more action. Playing with the dynosphere set is almost like playing with a set of aramith red circle cue balls.. LOL.. Gianni

 

[Benelli]

Thank you for your comments and feedback. Yes. I am going to start playing with my centennial set, again. I have an old set of super Pros from the 1990s with the triangle cue ball which I also play with on occasion. I know that the super pros and centennials are made of the same resin. Yes. The dynospheres definitely have more elasticity and have more action. Playing with the dynosphere set is almost like playing with a set of aramith red circle cue balls.. LOL.. Gianni

I have a red triangle set but I don't play with them. I have two newer Super Pro sets one reg and one TV and try to rotate them in monthly for a couple of days.

I swapped out the Tournaments to the TV Centennials today in honor of this thread!

I should also mention I rotate across five different cue balls, black label tournament, red measles, black measles, Pred black triangle, and blue measles.

For some reason, the Diamond Blue Measles has become my go-to cue ball

 

[Benelli]

Screw off troll.

Says the jackass adding NOTHING to the conversation...

Who's the troll...

 

[buckshotshoey]

Says the jackass adding NOTHING to the conversation...

Who's the troll...

I contributed by offering evid that Centennials actually tend to be heavier. You didn't need to read it you say. This indicates you don't give two shits about anyone else's opinion.

You've weighed the balls you are referring to? Show me your results. All you say is "I own all those sets and have weighed them myself, also play with them all regularly."

Then YOU are the one that started the shit slinging....

"But love your useless pithy comment neverless.

Can't wait for your insightful analysis of how all Aramith resins recipes are all the same and identical to the Dynaspheres with your accompanying chemical analysis and Mass Spectrometry data."

Is it hard to breathe with your head so far up your ass? Go copulate yourself.

 

[jtompilot]

Personally, I think it boils down to differences in the composition of the resins and how the directional force is transferred/carried through the ball.

You're basically measuring both the elastic rebound and energy transference of the different formulations of the resin to see if one formulation is bouncier than another or if one formulation dampens the amount of kinetic energy passed through.

I have always interpreted the "plays heavier" comment to mean the ball absorbs more energy and there is less transference from the cue to the object ball or from the struck object ball into a second ball.

Here is a whitepaper celebrating 100 years of Phenolic resin, there are some interesting parts...

I had a set of Dynasphere Tungsten, they weighed 1 gram more than my Tournament TV balls. Not only that but the Dynasphere's were more consistent in size and weight than any Centennial or Tournament set that I've weighed. So I dont understand how they plated lighter.

Do you really think the Phenolic Resin is that much different between series 3 or 4 formula? If you want to go back 30 or 40 years then I'd probably agree there is some minor difference between the newer formulas.

 

[Benelli]

I had a set of Dynasphere Tungsten, they weighed 1 gram more than my Tournament TV balls. Not only that but the Dynasphere's were more consistent in size and weight than any Centennial or Tournament set that I've weighed. So I dont understand how they plated lighter.

Do you really think the Phenolic Resin is that much different between series 3 or 4 formula? If you want to go back 30 or 40 years then I'd probably agree there is some minor difference between the newer formulas.

There are literally hundreds of ways to make, cure, and then grind and shape phenolic. All those processes make subtle changes to not only the atomic bonds in the resin but also to its final properties. So Yeah I think now more than ever there are significant differences in balls because of the chemical makeup, percentage of, and production of the resin. Keep in mind all these companies spend considerable sums on researching the production process and materials in their balls. Not only to increase value and longevity but also in some cases reduce cost and production time.

I have a set of Tungstens and I have never been that impressed with them, they have a hollow clinky sound when they hit.

Again we keep confusing weight with how the balls play, weight is only one of many potential factors that contribute to the reactions we see on the table. The balls can be a uniform weight but because of the quality or different construction of the resin used and yet react very differently than another set being compared too.

With Balls like Tungstens and Contentials, there is a theory that those balls contain very low quantities of Phenolic resins and have more ploy-resins as their core and phenolic coating that really only serves for longevity and shine. From a cost of manufacturing perspective this makes a lot of sense, solid phenolic balls are expensive and labor-intensive so if you want to push out a budget-level ball you're going to have to save cost somewhere and materials are where most companies start.

Could it be that you just prefer how these balls play over different sets that have different materials?

 

[neolux]

I have a red triangle set but I don't play with them. I have two newer Super Pro sets one reg and one TV and try to rotate them in monthly for a couple of days.

I swapped out the Tournaments to the TV Centennials today in honor of this thread!

I should also mention I rotate across five different cue balls, black label tournament, red measles, black measles, Pred black triangle, and blue measles.

For some reason, the Diamond Blue Measles has become my go-to cue ball

Thank you for taking out your Centennial TV balls in honor of this thread. I don't play with them very often because I know that they are rarely available for sale and are fetching outrageous prices on ebay.
I have been playing with the Centennial set for the past couple of days. Definitely they roll very precisely and true. I don't know if my blue circle cue ball is the original that came with that set as I bought them used about 10 years ago. The blue circle cue ball is very yellow and it seems to play a little heavy, even though it weighs around 168 Grams. I am wondering if the blue circle is from an early Centennial set made by Hyatt.

 

[neolux]

Read this then get back to us.

Pool Ball Weights

I was bored today so I weighed some of the ball sets I have for comparison purposes. About the sets at time of weight: Aramith Tournament Set: Brand new, used a few times Brunswick Centennial Set 1: Brand new, used a few times Brunswick...

forums.azbilliards.com

Yes. I've been playing with this Centennial all set for the past couple of days. They definitely roll very true and are super accurate. I also took my old triangle cue ball from my super pro set and compared it with the action of the blue circle cue ball that came with the set. I believe the Blue Circle Bowl that came with my set, as I bought the set used 10 years ago, maybe from an older Centennial set that was made by hyatt. It's very dark yellow but does weigh 168 g.

 

[Benelli]

Yes. I've been playing with this Centennial all set for the past couple of days. They definitely roll very true and are super accurate. I also took my old triangle cue ball from my super pro set and compared it with the action of the blue circle cue ball that came with the set. I believe the Blue Circle Bowl that came with my set, as I bought the set used 10 years ago, maybe from an older Centennial set that was made by hyatt. It's very dark yellow but does weigh 168 g.

Thank you for taking out your Centennial TV balls in honor of this thread. I don't play with them very often because I know that they are rarely available for sale and are fetching outrageous prices on ebay.
I have been playing with the Centennial set for the past couple of days. Definitely they roll very precisely and true. I don't know if my blue circle cue ball is the original that came with that set as I bought them used about 10 years ago. The blue circle cue ball is very yellow and it seems to play a little heavy, even though it weighs around 168 Grams. I am wondering if the blue circle is from an early Centennial set made by Hyatt.

I have two different Hyatt Cenntential sets made about 20 years apart, I'll weigh their blue circles and post back here later today with the results.

Post some pics of the cue ball and we can compare to known Hyatt and Aramith versions to see if we can pin it down for you.