Books on Cuemaking?
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No book can teach anyone cuemaking unless he already has a strong background in metal working and woodworking in my opinion.
Unless, you like to make firewood, a hands-on training is a must.
And even that takes a lot of time.
Then, the tooling and sourcing of wood, are absolutely priceless infos you only get from experienced cuemakers.
Unless, you like to make firewood, a hands-on training is a must.
And even that takes a lot of time.
Then, the tooling and sourcing of wood, are absolutely priceless infos you only get from experienced cuemakers.
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Joseph Cues said:
I beg to disagree with you that no book can teach anyone cuemaking... it's like saying no book can teach anyone something.
I believe a cuemaking book can teach anyone how to make a cue but... YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT KIND OR QUALITY OF CUE YOU'LL COME UP WITH.
This is where being associated wih experienced cuemakers and acquiring trade secrets come in. Experience and resourcefulness too would play a factor but would take a lot of time and a lot of wood and materials along the way.
Just like some of the great cuemakers who did and found out things their own way...
Books and videos would be a good start up to have an idea of how things are made. But not the end of it all, guidance and information from the greats will spell the big difference...
If you want to hack it on your own... then go ahead, you will learn it too. Resourcefulness, time and money are the things you have to look out for... and a lot more of it
VH, you probably can. But, you will make a lot of firewood in the process. A lot aches and pain.
Then again, it'd be better than buying blanks or getting cues made and signing your name on it.
I cannot even imagine how much it would cost to make firewood these days.
The knowledge of wood, epoxy, machining and finishing are paramount in cuemaking.
Then again, it'd be better than buying blanks or getting cues made and signing your name on it.
I cannot even imagine how much it would cost to make firewood these days.
The knowledge of wood, epoxy, machining and finishing are paramount in cuemaking.
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Joseph Cues said:
Firewood cues I guess
mmm has a ring ain't it??? IMO, if you can't make blanks and bought somebody else's, better not make 'em. But GB bought his' from Spain... mmmm...
Firewood cost would probably be range for a few hundred dollars depending on the wood, inlays, materials etc. With an ivory ferrule it.s around $25.00 extra
Yeah I agree with you all the way...
cue books
You can be a leader or a follower it's all in the attitude.
If your looking to build "a" cue look no further ,if your looking to build your "own" cues, find your own way .The reward is much greater and you never know maybe you will come up with something new.It is very easy to stiffle your creativity with other peoples ideas.bud green said:
You can be a leader or a follower it's all in the attitude.
Canadian Cue:
You have a couple of good points except, every good student should have understanding of others workmanship and then make it his own, that can lead to leadership if you have any talent. How can you lead any thing past your own thoughts if you have no understanding of what's out there. If your assuming what's out there your only leading yourself with one eye open. You don't have to agree with any thing another cue maker has to say but you should understand the different disciplines.
You have a couple of good points except, every good student should have understanding of others workmanship and then make it his own, that can lead to leadership if you have any talent. How can you lead any thing past your own thoughts if you have no understanding of what's out there. If your assuming what's out there your only leading yourself with one eye open. You don't have to agree with any thing another cue maker has to say but you should understand the different disciplines.
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hey Blud can u send me the same info's via PM please ?blud said:
Micheal Webb:
I do agree some prior knowledge is helpful, but I still believe the self-taught
cue maker has a definite advantage over the cue maker who learnt from some one else simply because he learnt how to think for himself and has had the oportunity to learn from his mistakes.The cue makers prodigy does things the way he was taught not always understanding why it is done this way.Trial and error is still the best form of education . As a side note , who's knowledge did Davinci rely on when he invented the helicopter?
I do agree some prior knowledge is helpful, but I still believe the self-taught
cue maker has a definite advantage over the cue maker who learnt from some one else simply because he learnt how to think for himself and has had the oportunity to learn from his mistakes.The cue makers prodigy does things the way he was taught not always understanding why it is done this way.Trial and error is still the best form of education . As a side note , who's knowledge did Davinci rely on when he invented the helicopter?
CC, there is nothing wrong with being self-taught.Canadian cue said:
But, knowing other ways other makers do things, is very helpful as well.
Nothing wrong with being taught either. You can judge for yourself if one thing can be done differently or better.
It's just like getting taught how to paint. You will still paint the way you want.
Problem with being self-taught and not talking to other makers is that you could be making the same mistakes over and over again. OR not find out there is a better way out there to do some things.
I doubt if there is really a full-on self taught cuemaker. He still had to learn wood, machining or tooling from some people.
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Canadian cue said:
Why not have the best of both worlds? If you could learn from someone, that's great but don't just be a sitting duck for everything he says. You'll find out there will be somethings you won't agree on and maybe you have a much better way of doing things your own way.
It's important too to learn the bid no-no's and what doesn't work w/c i personally feel is one of the biggest aspects of learning from someone. There will be a zillion ways of trying to do things that are right... but the dont's in this craft will probably stay the same. Sample this: never cut your wood/shafts in just one day... that thing will always be that thing... why? That's what you need to know
Michael Webb : My apologies on spelling your name wrong- no offence intended.
With great respect, if I was in Canada I would spell it your way. I understand exactly what you are saying, not every student will change things that he or she has been taught. From my experience the knowledge I aquired from the cue makers that I use to turn shafts for was a great benefit to me. When I went on my own to build cues, I used this knowledge as a foundation only. I consider it a compliment to them that first, I kept my mouth shut while there because it was their product. Second, I learned to think for myself, so in honor of them, my cues play and look different from theirs. That's just my definition of what a student should do.
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This is what I meant about it Blud... you'll never know what works for you 'til your on your own. The mentor has his way of doing things and later on as an individual, the student may or may not do things his own way or whatever works for him.
I guess it's a great advantage for those who want to take up the craft nowadays because of cuemakers like you who trailblazed the art of cuemaking. Plus a lot of information on the web and other mediums on how to get started. Maybe during your time starting, there wasn't much of it available and with your resourcefulness you threaded the path your own way.
But still, it ain't easily available, due to geographical, financial reasons. I can't imagine how one from say Afghanistan would start if he wants to get into cuemaking...
It's good that knowledgable cuemakers like you spend time on forums like this to give insights into the world of cuemaking... and I wish you'd still answer my query about cue length he he he...
Keep it coming Blud, we're all ears
History unknown is History repeated.
That is another way of saying don't reinvent the wheel. I am not a cue maker, but as with any trade profession I believe that skills should be handed down through apprenticeships. I call cue makers cuesmiths because that is how I see their profession. I for sure have my own ideas on how to build a cue, but before I ever dive into it seriously, I will for sure be spending at least a week at Club Blud to learn the basics.
That is another way of saying don't reinvent the wheel. I am not a cue maker, but as with any trade profession I believe that skills should be handed down through apprenticeships. I call cue makers cuesmiths because that is how I see their profession. I for sure have my own ideas on how to build a cue, but before I ever dive into it seriously, I will for sure be spending at least a week at Club Blud to learn the basics.
thanks
Thank you, Thank you,
Many thanks to [[VH]], and Budda Jones for there kind words. We can all learn from one another if we just try.
PEACE and KNOCKING,
No need to fuss and or knock, as we have all seen on this board in the past. It's a much nicer site now, and we all have much to learn from one another.
CUEMAKING,
Cuemaking is lots of fun. It's the biggest learning curve that one could dream of. I develope new ways to do things that will make a better product. I develope new tools and tooling for the same reasons.
I don't know about other cuemakers, but I never stop working on new projects to help my cuemaking. My cues are built about the same way as I when I stared out many moons ago. I have just developed ways to make building times shorter, and at the same time, maintain the quality hit and playability of my cues.
DUH!, cuemakers,
I do know of some cuemakers who have learned from me, and [some who knows who taught]and that's as far as they have taken it.What I've taught them, or they learned from someone. They build the same thing over and over. Afraid to take that next step, or just are not able to learn more on there own.
NEW LINE of CUES,
I am considering building some new machinery that will allow me to build some lower end cues for those who can not afford my higher-end cues. I will keep building the high-ends too.
The machiney I have now, is set up and deacated machinery. Meaning that I go from step to step, and seldom have to set up for the next step.If I take this next big step, I am going to build lots of multi-head machinery to make my job a little easier for this "old guy". Stay tuned, I'll let you folks know in 2 or 3 weeks. Got to come with much money for this new line of cues and machinery. Lots of thinking to do.......
Trying to compete with the over-seas market is tough. If and when I introduce my new line, they will be close to the prices of some imports. One thing for sure, close prices or not, they will be of very high-quality, far above what you see in imports today.
blud
Thank you, Thank you,
Many thanks to [[VH]], and Budda Jones for there kind words. We can all learn from one another if we just try.
PEACE and KNOCKING,
No need to fuss and or knock, as we have all seen on this board in the past. It's a much nicer site now, and we all have much to learn from one another.
CUEMAKING,
Cuemaking is lots of fun. It's the biggest learning curve that one could dream of. I develope new ways to do things that will make a better product. I develope new tools and tooling for the same reasons.
I don't know about other cuemakers, but I never stop working on new projects to help my cuemaking. My cues are built about the same way as I when I stared out many moons ago. I have just developed ways to make building times shorter, and at the same time, maintain the quality hit and playability of my cues.
DUH!, cuemakers,
I do know of some cuemakers who have learned from me, and [some who knows who taught]and that's as far as they have taken it.What I've taught them, or they learned from someone. They build the same thing over and over. Afraid to take that next step, or just are not able to learn more on there own.
NEW LINE of CUES,
I am considering building some new machinery that will allow me to build some lower end cues for those who can not afford my higher-end cues. I will keep building the high-ends too.
The machiney I have now, is set up and deacated machinery. Meaning that I go from step to step, and seldom have to set up for the next step.If I take this next big step, I am going to build lots of multi-head machinery to make my job a little easier for this "old guy". Stay tuned, I'll let you folks know in 2 or 3 weeks. Got to come with much money for this new line of cues and machinery. Lots of thinking to do.......
Trying to compete with the over-seas market is tough. If and when I introduce my new line, they will be close to the prices of some imports. One thing for sure, close prices or not, they will be of very high-quality, far above what you see in imports today.
blud