MsBushwhacker
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Brand new Paul Mottey for sale
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Barbara said:
BARBARA,
DO YOU HAVE PICS OF YOUR CUE? I'M CURIOUS TO HOW MUCH ALIKE THEY REALLY ARE. THANKS.
bushwhacker said:
Hey just want to disect the design components of this cue, since some people are calling it a copy of someone elses design. This is how I would view the cue.
black/red/black maple trim rings at the joint and in the back end definately Gus
black, red, black, maple with ebony points... Gus..
Slotted ivory diamonds... NO ONE. Although the slotted MOP diamond could have been by any number of early cuemakers, most noticably Paradise
Single diamond in point.. Originator Paradise or Bushka maybe?
Backend 4 diamond 2 dot pattern.. most people might say Gus, but where did he get his idea for the pattern? This pattern is a modified Bushka pattern, its the center section of a very well known Bushka backend. The original Bushka pattern normally had colored rings above this pattern and 4 more dots above and below those rings. Gus centered the two dots, where George tried to keep the dots tighter to the diamonds.
Ring above wrap, colored veneers into ivory or white phenolic, clearly a Bushka ring as seen on at least two examples in the Billiard Encyclopedia page 324.
This all being said, maybe its one of those "Iconic" designs that is public domain, right Bruin..
But most importantly its a great cue, by a great cuemaker.Joe
Barb,
Your 2 cents in here is bulls***.. A man is trying to sell a cue and you are downing it.. YOu outta delete your threads.. Its rude..and by the way..
Paul Mottey has been building cues since 1983..
Barry Szamboti.. 1989....
Paul has used this design before Barry ever made a cue.. Maybe the inlays and overall theme is Gus like but definately not Barry..
Mike
Your 2 cents in here is bulls***.. A man is trying to sell a cue and you are downing it.. YOu outta delete your threads.. Its rude..and by the way..
Paul Mottey has been building cues since 1983..
Barry Szamboti.. 1989....
Paul has used this design before Barry ever made a cue.. Maybe the inlays and overall theme is Gus like but definately not Barry..
Mike
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SphinxnihpS
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Stolen titleist design... ROFL!
spanky981 said:
Dayummmmm, Spanky laying the snack down. I agree, and it looks like she attempted to delete her post but Marcus had copied it already. Maybe the cue isn't as similar to hers as she would have everyone believe.
Pics please.........
cueaddicts said:
I WASN'T GOING TO GIVE HER THE CHANCE TO BACK OUT ONCE SHE POSTED THAT. IF IT'S THAT CLOSE OR EXACT THAN SHOW US PICTURES. I ALSO WONDER WHAT BARRY WOULD THINK, IF HE KNEW SHE POSTED HIS REPLY IN A PUBLIC FORUM????????????
That cue is very similar to Barbara's cue. JMHO.cueaddicts said:
I don't think I would call it "design theft", because, all the features are kind of classic cue design elements. I'm sure there are many cue makers who have used similar elements in their cues.
Pictures
E-MAIL ME THE PICS AND I WILL HOST AND POST THEM FOR FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
DCBASSGUY@HOTMAIL.COM
Barbara said:
E-MAIL ME THE PICS AND I WILL HOST AND POST THEM FOR FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
DCBASSGUY@HOTMAIL.COM
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Barbara, I agree. I said it was very similar to your cue. IIRC, it is not an exact copy, but it is VERY similar.Barbara said:
I don't want to get into a discussion of design theft, as there are enough other people beating that to death, but, IMHO, your cue is made up of many classic elements, as is the cue in this thread. I think many cue makers have used the same elements in their cues. IMHO, to be considered "design theft" a cue would have to have a unique design, copied from a one of a kind cue.
JMHO.
Cue Design Theft is BS
The big point all of you seem to be missing is that very few well known cuemakers make cues on speculation, they make cues to order. Who usually dictates the cue design?? The customer. You're all victims of your own madness because these guys have waiting lists that are so long and charge so much because customers are willing to put up with it. If I want a cue that looks like a 'boti and I want it before 7 years have passed I'll get someone else to build it for me, and get it for half price.
The big point all of you seem to be missing is that very few well known cuemakers make cues on speculation, they make cues to order. Who usually dictates the cue design?? The customer. You're all victims of your own madness because these guys have waiting lists that are so long and charge so much because customers are willing to put up with it. If I want a cue that looks like a 'boti and I want it before 7 years have passed I'll get someone else to build it for me, and get it for half price.
well put.......
I agree with you, too.
bingo, bango, bongo........WHERE'S JIMBO ???????????????
96supersport said:
I agree with you, too.
bingo, bango, bongo........WHERE'S JIMBO ???????????????
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
You bring up a valid point. I am assuming Barry looked at the pics and HE obviously saw "design theft", granted it was against his dads designs, wonder if he would think the same about SC's Mottey... But wait its only Barry saying foul, not Ernie. Its irrelevent... just look at the Cuebylaws, section Hot Air.. paragraph 5.. line 2.. and I quote.. if your initials are not EG, or TW, or JMW than there can never be a design theft occurance...
Did anyone tell Barry that classic designs can not be considered stolen, as they are iconic, and archaic and without as much thought as Ernies cues and since there is no grandfather clause he is S.O.L.
Joe (---calling Law and Order CDT Unit...