Breakin at the Open

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I thought I had seen on the USOpen Website that the break shout would be restricted to the box, and that the rack location, 9 or 1 on the spot, TBD.

I can't find either reference now and don't recall where n the Site I saw em either. Anybod have any input? Have I been practicing my break from the middle of the table for nothin?!
 
Black-Balled said:
I thought I had seen on the USOpen Website that the break shout would be restricted to the box, and that the rack location, 9 or 1 on the spot, TBD.

I can't find either reference now and don't recall where n the Site I saw em either. Anybod have any input? Have I been practicing my break from the middle of the table for nothin?!
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Last Open, the Sardo rack was used, and the placement of the 9-ball in the rack was on the spot as opposed to the 1-ball on the spot.

I can't remember about whether they break from the D, but will find out.

Going to Sterling tonight?

JAM
 
Black-Balled said:
I thought I had seen on the USOpen Website that the break shout would be restricted to the box, and that the rack location, 9 or 1 on the spot, TBD.

I can't find either reference now and don't recall where n the Site I saw em either. Anybod have any input? Have I been practicing my break from the middle of the table for nothin?!
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I remember seeing the same thing, although it isn't there now. It was break from the box, 2 racked in the back, 5 balls to the rail. I'd also love to know whether or not the 9 is being racked on the spot (that's the way it was when I played in 2003).

JAM said:
Last Open, the Sardo rack was used....
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AFAIK, a sponsor has not been chosen for the rack, so Sardos may or may not be used this year.

I guess we'll find the answers to these questions at the players' meeting Sunday night.

-djb
 
US Open Breaking Rules

Here's the official word:

Sardo Rack.
One-ball on the spot.
Two-ball in the back.
Break from the 'box'.
No 'soft' breaks.

-Mark


DoomCue said:
I remember seeing the same thing, although it isn't there now. It was break from the box, 2 racked in the back, 5 balls to the rail. I'd also love to know whether or not the 9 is being racked on the spot (that's the way it was when I played in 2003).


AFAIK, a sponsor has not been chosen for the rack, so Sardos may or may not be used this year.

I guess we'll find the answers to these questions at the players' meeting Sunday night.

-djb
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Question ..

Break from the 'box' means behind the head string
to me. Break from the 'D' means the middle to me.
 
The way I see it, is if you hit the lowest numbered ball on the table, and something contacts a rail, you've made a legal hit. That's the rule, right?

But, remember, there is no advantage to using the 'soft' break unless the 9-ball is on the spot. Corey demonstrated that to us in 2001 when he made the 1-ball in the side *every* time, and won 11-0. In fact, he pocketed FOUR balls on the break using that type of break. I think the rule is at least three balls must pass the side pockets. When deuel pocketed four, *none* passed this point. Two in one corner, and one in each side. Is that 'illegal'? :confused:

(Don't even get me started about 8-ball breaks. "Yes, you must call every pocket. Oh, you made something on the break and didn't call it? Go ahead and shoot again....".. :rolleyes:

Sweet Marissa said:
I don't even know where to begin with that bullshit. :rolleyes:
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softbreak

Marissa

do you ever notice how every one brings up Cory's softbreak when the US OPEN and BCA open comes around? Expecially when the F'n Sardo is being used !!!

I never hear anyone complain about if someone is softbreaking during any tournaments i have ever been too. Oh thats probably cuz they would be laughed outa the building lol.

But seriously, all the guys that i know of that are pro or semi pro type players, i dont think i have ever seen them softbreak. they just use a controlled hard break.

Kinda like Thorston did this yr in the BCA finals against Archer, he started off with a kinda softbreak but by the end was just crushing the rack, even with them using the sardo.

dave
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Marissa

do you ever notice how every one brings up Cory's softbreak when the US OPEN and BCA open comes around? Expecially when the F'n Sardo is being used !!!

I never hear anyone complain about if someone is softbreaking during any tournaments i have ever been too. Oh thats probably cuz they would be laughed outa the building lol.

But seriously, all the guys that i know of that are pro or semi pro type players, i dont think i have ever seen them softbreak. they just use a controlled hard break.

Kinda like Thorston did this yr in the BCA finals against Archer, he started off with a kinda softbreak but by the end was just crushing the rack, even with them using the sardo.

dave
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What's more funny, is that during the BCA Open in Vegas this past May, I noticed (during the first couple of rounds) that the players weren't even using the Sardo rack. They'd reach down, pick up the rack from the floor, set it upon the table, and proceed to rack the balls with their hands. Then, they'd put it back on the floor. I noticed Robles, Hernanez and a couple of others doing this. I chuckled to myself, thinking, "Well, even the pros don't like using it." It was as if they were required to display the Sardo Rack on the table for advertisement purposes. Besides, it only works on new, trained cloth.. the same type of cloth upon which *ANY* rack will work.

My $1.99 wooden triangle works just fine, thanks. :)

-Mark
 
Hello Breakers

I for one would like to say that I have never had anyone put the rack on me playing Straight Pool, as for Corey's break I applaud him in discovering the weaknesses in the 9 ball rack. I am glad that I do not have to watch the wing ball effortlessly fly in at the Open, instead I will continue to practice the games that matter to me bank, 14.1, and of course One Pocket. I will continue to say that ten ball is a great answer to the problems that we are facing today with the rack playing 9 ball. Joe Tucker has made a DVD on the rack playing 9 ball and how easy it is to make the corner ball, I recommend this to anyone who likes to make balls on the break. I may not know much about the politics behind pool but I'm well schooled on the rack and the game it's self, it will be interesting to see how long they continue to bang there heads about the wing ball that is with the sardo rack an easy trick shot when you watch Joe's DVD. I watched a match recently in Verona, NY between Tucker and Duel, I heard Corey mention something about Joe's DVD when Joedid not make a ball on the break. I believe that Corey does not want the other players to know about how vulnerable the corner ball is while playing 9 ball, that is why he was making a joke while winning his match against my friend Joe. Corey Duel is a fine player but when he asked me to play in Tulsa, OK I accepted, after I won two sets he realized he could not make the corner ball with my rack. He then offered to continue play only if we played winner rack, I accepted his offer but with one stipulation and that was to play ten ball. Corey said no thanks, I do not have to win every time I compete against Corey for sure but he did decline my offer to continue play under 10 ball winner rack conditions.
Respectfully, Danny 'boy' Harriman
 
MarkJS said:
But, remember, there is no advantage to using the 'soft' break unless the 9-ball is on the spot.
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Not true, Corey used the soft break to prefection at the World Summit. And the one was placed on the spot. He had the EXACT same layout EVERYTIME!

When deuel pocketed four, *none* passed this point. Two in one corner, and one in each side. Is that 'illegal'? :confused:
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Each pocketed ball is considered a ball pass the side pocket

Fleece3
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I don't even know where to begin with that bullshit. :rolleyes:
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It's a gaf break .Try it and u'll see ..All the work is in the top of the table ....Less runnin of the CB..I feel it's fair .I've seen CD break hard in New York sometime back.And hits them good..
 
Snapshot9 said:
Break from the 'box' means behind the head string
to me. Break from the 'D' means the middle to me.
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I'm confused again, as usual. I thought the "D" was on snooker tables and the "box was the area defined by the headstring and the two diamonds one diamond inside the corners?
 
The official word from the players' meeting:

Nine ball on the spot.
Break box (and it's a very small break box at that).
No soft breaks (nothing specific, Scott said to "hit it hard")
Nothing about the 2 in the back.
Rack your own, unless the players agree to let the loser rack.
Sardo racks are being used.



-djb
 
DoomCue said:
The official word from the players' meeting:

Nine ball on the spot.
Break box (and it's a very small break box at that).
No soft breaks (nothing specific, Scott said to "hit it hard")
Nothing about the 2 in the back.
Rack your own, unless the players agree to let the loser rack.
Sardo racks are being used.



-djb
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What if "hard" to one person is different to another? Maybe's Corey's break is hard to compared to how he hits a shot? :D
 
Sweet Marissa said:
What if "hard" to one person is different to another? Maybe's Corey's break is hard to compared to how he hits a shot? :D
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Yeah, that was definitely left open for a wide variety of interpretation.

Apparently, I didn't listen very well at the players' meeting anyway, because the 2 is racked in the back.

-djb
 
I too was at the Summit and Corey's break was masterful. Granted I hate that soft break, but where 99% of players want to pocket a ball and control the cue ball on the break, Corey has found a way to also control the object balls.

He set the 6-ball as his wing ball every rack and it went in 100% of the time. The 1-ball went in the side 50% of the time. The 8 and 9 laid next to each other in the rack area and the 7 ball was within a 1 or 2 feet of the 8 and 9. His end game of 7-8-9 was almost identical every rack and was easy enough that a player who picked up a cue for the 1st time a month ago would run it out 90+% of the time.

So manipulative his break is of the object balls that against Mika (the 1st time) when he fell behind he swapped the 3 ball and 8 ball positions in the rack on his break knowing that the 8-9 laid next to each other every time, he would then have an opportunity for a quick rack laying the 3 near the 9 for a fast combo. I am not a huge Corey fan, but that is brilliant to be able to choreograph the layout that precise.
 
> I personally have no problem with the soft break,it seems to work for Corey,and a few others. I agree 100% that it is a very smart way to control things under the right conditions,and Corey must be given credit for being an innovator and his perception of potential advantages. Is it BORING? Damn right it is,and the average non-pool junkie will probably think so too. I'll still watch it sure,but that's just me. Tommy D.
 
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