breaking cue tip

StormHotRod300

StormHotRod300

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ok tonight while i was at my local poolhall, i overheard the owner and a couple of the regulars, talking about a new cue tip made just for breakin. And he had one put on his break cue and the guy tried it, and smashed the rack, not even hitting full power.

So of course while i was sitting waiting for the tournament to start, i asked the owner about the tip, and he show'd me his cue, and the tips themselves, and explained them too.

I dont remember what they are made of, but he said that you dont ever hafta redo the tip, cuz it keeps the grip permanently, and that it basically turns any regular cue, into a breakin cue, thats just as good as any 500$ cue made for breakin.

Well i had the owner put one of these tips on my Viking VM-15, only because i was using it for breaks cuz its heavier, well It totally lets me out break the big boys, and has increased my average of balls made on the break.

a lil description on the tip, from what the owner said its rock hard, and takes a lathe to grind it down to size to fit the tip, and comes in, just a tip, or a tip/ferrule combo.

and for 20$ it was probably one of the best things i have done to improve my game.

I am curious of how many people have gone to a tip like this, and how they like the tip? or what they have seen of people who have gone to a tip like this.

Dave
 
Joseph Cues said:
Phenolic tip.
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Short, sweet and to the point...

Thanks,

Jon <-- doesn't really know what it is, could just be a pineapple... :-D
 
Joseph Cues said:
So short, it's not even a sentence.
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Well, that post looks like a sentence to me. You are getting better at this. Keep up the good work.

Thanks,

Jon
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Well i had the owner put one of these tips on my Viking VM-15, only because i was using it for breaks cuz its heavier, well It totally lets me out break the big boys, and has increased my average of balls made on the break.
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StormHotRod300, I have never heard of the tip that you're talking about, but I'd sure like to get me one of those, whatever they are. ;)
 
Phenolic tip

Keith McCready said:
StormHotRod300, I have never heard of the tip that you're talking about, but I'd sure like to get me one of those, whatever they are. ;)
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Well again wednesday i was at the pool hall shooting some stick, and after the place closed, i was talking to the owner, about the tip and what it was made of and what the name of it was called, and he said its a Phenolic tip, i guess thats the material its made of.

Now he was telling me then when he was at the convention in Philly that he found a vendor there that had some, and bought some up. He also said, that not alot of people know about the tip, but once it catches on, its gonna be the best thing to use for breakin.

Basically he said this tip, should last you forever. But you need a lathe to shape it to the size of the tip on cue.
 
My break tip tip... umm, advice :-)

I like rock hard break tips on my Falcon JB. My method:

1. Take a regular Le Pro tip and glue it normally to the ferrule.
2. Take a sharp knife (mat knife or similar with thin blade) and cut it in half, horizontally of course :) Cut easy to avoid mushrooming etc.
3. Apply a little bit of chalk to the rough surface.
4. Take a ball and pound the rough surface down to make it hard. Shoot a couple of shots, apply chalk and pound again. After some play the tip remains hard but holds chalk much better than in the beginning.

And yes, it's going to be hard _and_ durable. Previous tip holded 8 years (!) of almost constant play and I had to remove it only because I changed the Falcon to be my playing cue !! :p

The positive side is that it's hard enough for accomplishing steep jump shots, but still a little bit softer on the break. I don't like the new phenolic tips for breaking, for me they are too hard and you need to be more precise on the cueball to have an effective break. The jumps you can perform on them are phenominal, but the jump is used much less than the break so I will rather go with the good breaking characteristics...
 
Keith:
I will have some versions of break cues at Snookers.From what I have seen of the phenalic tips their okay until you miscue. I still beleive in the old rule, if it doesn't have leather, it's not legal. Some can argue the point but the miscue factor speaks for itself.
 
Michael Webb said:
Keith:
I will have some versions of break cues at Snookers.From what I have seen of the phenalic tips their okay until you miscue. I still beleive in the old rule, if it doesn't have leather, it's not legal. Some can argue the point but the miscue factor speaks for itself.
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I totally agree.
 
Michael Webb said:
Keith:
I will have some versions of break cues at Snookers.From what I have seen of the phenalic tips their okay until you miscue. I still beleive in the old rule, if it doesn't have leather, it's not legal. Some can argue the point but the miscue factor speaks for itself.
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Thanks for the info, Mike. I'll check those tips out when I see you at Snookers. If those tips help me mix the balls a little bit better than what I'm doing now, I guess I will have to try to put one on my break cue.

I know that there is something to those tips because I've seen other guys break the balls and the balls mix a different way. I'm always open for a suggestion because my break, as you know, is so poor.

The shaft is still well intact and ready to go. Now all we need is opponents! ;)
 
The set up I use will let you break with less power and improve your jumping about 40 percent. It is not just a tip, it's a break conversion. And the leather does not have to be replaced and it doesn't wear out, and it's old school legal.
 
These phenolic tips - I assume they're too hard to trim or shape, right?

I just ask as over here in the UK we use smaller equipment, and I could use 10mm tip...

Otherwise I guess I'd have to import a break cue specially (I prefer a lighter cue for breaking - 16 or 17 oz).

Then again, maybe if I got a cheap 9-ball cue and took the weight out of the butt...


Hmm, I need to find a supplier for the phenolic tips first though.
 
From what I've come to understand, you can not use a tip pik or anything on the phenolic tips. Sandpaper is recommended to scuff the tip. Supposely, using a tip pik or other tool will add the possibility of the tip splitting. I'm not positive, but I believe it may cause the shaft to split as well.
 
XzyluM said:
From what I've come to understand, you can not use a tip pik or anything on the phenolic tips. Sandpaper is recommended to scuff the tip. Supposely, using a tip pik or other tool will add the possibility of the tip splitting. I'm not positive, but I believe it may cause the shaft to split as well.
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Yes, I think the shaft would split if you had a one-piece tip/ferrule, if the tip/ferrule unit split first. I explained it on CCB; here it goes again, short and sweet:

The tip/ferrule is held on by threads and epoxy and the epoxy is stronger than either the phenolic or the wood tennon, so if the tip/ferrule splits, the epoxy will most likely break along the "split line", and seeing as the wood is softer than both, the epoxy on both sides of the tennon, will in fact split the tennon, and depending on the force of the action that split the tip/ferrule in the first place, depending on that, is how far down the tennon and/or shaft will split. I think that is one EXCUSE that some people use for not using epoxy for the ferrule, why can't they just say, "I'm Cheap and Lazy." And to the nice (and smart) people who use Epoxy in conjunction with white glue (on the very bottom of the tennon), that last statement is not intended or directed at any of you, as IMHO, you are right :). Just wanted to elaborate on XzyluM's post. Just bored I guess :).

Thanks,

Jon
 
I understand your dilema, that's why I created the conversion, it's not just the phenolic tip. It's a complete set up and I can do it to your existing break cue. Don't spend money you don't have to spend. Phenolic tips are okay but they are still questionable and the miscues, speak for themselves. See my web site, repair page for pricing if your interested.
 
I've seen the Webb break tip and its a pretty interesting idea. It makes you wonder why it hasn't been thought of before, too practical I guess.

Mike I'll see you at Snookers, I have an idea for a cue I want to run by you.
 
I look forward to seeing you. I could answer your question but I'd rather not get the people who take short cuts upset.
 
phenolic tip

Well, when i had this tip put on my breakin cue, i was told that i would never hafta shape or scuff the tip.

As for miscue's using a phenolic tip for breaking, i was told its made for hitting the cue ball dead center.

And if you do try to put low or high english on the cue ball, it sounds like you are miscue'n .
 
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