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jamesroberts

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I'm not really sure how to ask this without offending anyone but why don't good players who start using cte play better and win tournaments. I don't really know what cte is and how it works but it seems to me that if you took a talented inconsistinent player and presented them with a system they might be a champion in a short time.

for the people like spider web and some others how much do you think cte improved your game
 
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ok, I'll bite and throw in my 2c.

There is no "catch all" solution to being a champion or playing national level caliber. I do watch all of these "teaching" DVDs, however, people who expect to watch them and all of a sudden start winning because they found this "magic golden egg of knowledge" will be surely disappointed.

I watch these aiming systems, fundamentals, drills, matches, and instructional DVDs with ONE thing in mind. It is for the knowledge ONLY. To hear what others think, to understand what they understand about the game. I know 100% I will have to disect what I learn, figure out what I can apply to my game to improve it.

I will never ever learn something with an expectation that it will somehow launch me immediately to new levels.

JMHO
Carl
 
Well I can tell you from exp. I have been playing with Spidey for ? years, but a long time.... He tried realy hard to play good but when he went to see Hal it changed his game big time for the good..... Dave would hit everything hard and hope. Now he has a lot more confidence in his shot making and is able to play speed properly. Even his banks have improved. I could spot him 40 or so in 14.1 10years ago and now we have to play even and I dont have to like it....... I have been playing w/ it for 7.5 years and I think I am playing better then I ever did. Only Im not practicing nearly like I did before, family and life just took over so............
donny


nice post Carl your right you have to take what you can from the info you get, talk to the better players and ask questions or study what they do....
 
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Being incontinent is the first problem you have to solve. I, personally, don't have that problem but living in a retirement community does bring you face to face ( bad wording) with the condition. I remember when I was swimming pool monitor one year and .....but that's another story.

Back to the relationship between incontinence and pool. Just make sure that your opponent knows that you take frequent preventative breaks and you may have to leave the table at a moments notice without explanation. A good system is a very good idea if you are incontinent.

Come to think of it, I don't trust my farts as much as I used to.:rotflmao1:
 
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jamesroberts said:
I'm not really sure how to ask this without offending anyone but why don't good players who start using cte play better and win tournaments. I don't really know what cte is and how it works but it seems to me that if you took a talented incontinent player and presented them with a system they might be a champion in a short time.

for the people like spider web and some others how much do you think cte improved your game
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They do get better and win more. This is what the CTE players are always talking about. But the people who are against CTE say that it's not because of CTE that players are playing better.

Stevie says he is better since learning CTE and attributes it to helping him win a few more events. Matt Krah

I have snapped off several nice scores since learning CTE.

It's my honest opinion that a lot of really good players do CTE naturally without knowing it. Bangers stick with GB and so for them it's a tough transition to what good players have naturally evolved to.

I just spent some time with Klaus Zobrekis, a German world beater who still plays in the national league there, same class as Souquet, etc....

I asked him one night about CTE and showed him what I do. He said that this is how he aims BUT that when he is coming into the cue ball he is zeroing in on the contact point. He uses the edge of the object ball to start and then comes into the shot with his eyes going to the contact point. If you watch him play and you use CTE then you would think he is using CTE.

You know full well though that there is way more to becoming a champion than being able to make balls. You and I both know shot makers who can't run out to save their lives. These guys are better than even money to make any difficult shot on the table and equally good odds to dog easy ones.

I really do believe that with CTE as a baseline for aiming and the right guidance on the other aspects of the game that a player does have a shortcut to becoming a champion.

But here are two testimonials from players whose speed you can probably respect more than no name bangers.

"Hi Stan,
Just wanted to let you know that I took first place in a tough Blaze event in New Jersey yesterday. I won twice against a very strong player, 7-2, 7-1, in the finals. Amazingly this was my first event I played in since working with you and applying the things you showed me!! I cant thank you enough for the things you taught me. I have been using PRO ONE with ease and everyone is telling me how disciplined I look on the table. Also, my break is working wonderfully and really making my run outs much easier.

Thanks again. Talk to you soon!

Matt Krah "

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I learned the PRO ONE aiming system from Stan Shuffett about 1 year ago. I successfully used PRO ONE in the 2008 Derby City Classic 9-Ball division getting a top 10 finish. I recently used the system getting wins at 2 Seminole Florida Pro Tour events. .

Stevie Moore
2008 Winner of the Florida Pro Tour Steve Mizerak Championship "

"Burford, as he had done both throughout the match and the whole tournament, showed experience far beyond his 20 short years to take his first ever main GB9 title and become the youngest ever winner of a GB9 main event. "I would like to thank Stan Shuffet for teaching me Pro One/CTE. I use this system full time now and after living in America for five months last year, I believe my game has jumped up at least a ball!" claimed an understandably delighted Burford." Written about Phil Burford from England
 
12310bch said:
Being incontinent is the first problem you have to solve. I, personally, don't have that problem but living in a retirement community does bring you face to face ( bad wording) with the condition. I remember when I was swimming pool monitor one year and .....but that's another story.

Back to the relationship between incontinence and pool. Just make sure that your opponent knows that you take frequent preventative breaks and you may have to leave the table at a moments notice without explanation. A good system is a very good idea if you are incontinent.

Come to think of it, I don't rust my farts as much as I used to.:rotflmao1:
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I tried to rep you on this. A true classic. Well done. :)
 
You may be under the impression, James, that pool players world wide are incorporating CTE, Prophalactic Vee, or what ever nom de jour is popular, into their style of play. Nothing could be further from the truth.
My guess, and I may be far too generous here, is that less than one tenth of one percent of pool players around the globe are using an aiming system, and the total number of players who have ever even heard of a system isn't much larger. Remember, almost all of what you hear regarding them comes from this forum and this forum only, and as great as we all know it to be, our forum is still only one very small part of the pool playing universe.
What you will hear on this particular thread, and many others that have bandied about lately, is merely anecdotal evidence regarding the efficacies of the various aiming systems, none of which have been adequately substantiated, and all of which is second and third stool commentary.
If you want to improve your game then hang out in a pool hall, practice, watch the good players play, and gamble if you are inclined to do so. If you want your game to peak at a lower level then by all means learn an aiming system. :)
 
It has to be how one visualizes how to arrive at the GB. I cannot fathom how one can use CTE - for where to place the bridge hand has not, to me, been succinctly divulged.

OTOH I can visualize double distance and GB aiming and this has served me well.:thumbup:
 
Tramp Steamer said:
You may be under the impression, James, that pool players world wide are incorporating CTE, Prophalactic Vee, or what ever nom de jour is popular, into their style of play. Nothing could be further from the truth.
My guess, and I may be far too generous here, is that less than one tenth of one percent of pool players around the globe are using an aiming system, and the total number of players who have ever even heard of a system isn't much larger. Remember, almost all of what you hear regarding them comes from this forum and this forum only, and as great as we all know it to be, our forum is still only one very small part of the pool playing universe.
What you will hear on this particular thread, and many others that have bandied about lately, is merely anecdotal evidence regarding the efficacies of the various aiming systems, none of which have been adequately substantiated, and all of which is second and third stool commentary.
If you want to improve your game then hang out in a pool hall, practice, watch the good players play, and gamble if you are inclined to do so. If you want your game to peak at a lower level then by all means learn an aiming system. :)
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And you are not aware that James is already an accomplished player.

Anecdotal evidence is quite powerful when it comes from world beaters, of which Stevie Moore certainly is one.

As for substantiation you can check on Stevie and Matt's records to see if they were lying about their victories. And Mr. Burford's victory was reported by someone else along with the unsolicited testimonial from him about how he credits CTE/ProOne with some of his improvement.

It's hilarious how the original poster is ASKING about people's play level after learning CTE and he gets answers along those lines and here you come telling him that those answers don't matter.

You're right it's all a big conspiracy to get the world's bangers hung up on CTE so that they will never get better. We are ALL lying about our progress and conspiring to make people believe that CTE works. Because we all intend to get filthy rich off the sales of CTE Dvds and related instructional materials. We intend to have a massive cult of CTE devotees sending money and signing over all their possessions to us.

I feel pretty secure though that you won't have the balls to walk up to Stevie Moore at a tournament and call him a liar over his testimonial about CTE. Much safer to do that anonymously though an internet forum isn't it?
 
I just ordered the DVD and I'm just looking to see what the learning curve is, I am a natural feel player with no aiming system and I don't really have much "pool knowledge" in respect to systems and so forth. So I just kinda wanted to see what others experiences where without getting into the actual mechanics of CTE.

I can tell you this, after watching the DVD for 30 mins I was hitting a couple shots that I am usually very shaky on right in the middle of the pocket. If all the system works for is that one shot for me then its worth the price of the DVD, but I'm thinking I am going to learn a lot more than just one or two shots
 
jamesroberts said:
I just ordered the DVD and I'm just looking to see what the learning curve is, I am a natural feel player with no aiming system and I don't really have much "pool knowledge" in respect to systems and so forth. So I just kinda wanted to see what others experiences where without getting into the actual mechanics of CTE.

I can tell you this, after watching the DVD for 30 mins I was hitting a couple shots that I am usually very shaky on right in the middle of the pocket. If all the system works for is that one shot for me then its worth the price of the DVD, but I'm thinking I am going to learn a lot more than just one or two shots
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Which DVD is it that teaches this system?
 
jamesroberts said:
I'm not really sure how to ask this without offending anyone but why don't good players who start using cte play better and win tournaments. I don't really know what cte is and how it works but it seems to me that if you took a talented inconsistinent player and presented them with a system they might be a champion in a short time.

for the people like spider web and some others how much do you think cte improved your game
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CTE or any other system cannot teach you character, composure and heart.

You need those to be a champion.
 
jrhendy said:
CTE or any other system cannot teach you character, composure and heart.

You need those to be a champion.
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Im not looking for character, composure or heart for that matter.
Im looking to improve my consistency on the pool table in striking the cue ball more accurately and making balls more consistently.

I know plenty of " champions" that lack composure, Earl comes to mind, his lack of composure doesnt seem to affect his ability to run out.

Heart? you mean tournament players that play great but wouldnt bet a quarter of their own. They need someone to stake them, then they make savers the entire tournament...

Character? I know a lot of great tournament players that would chop up their grandma for a big mac and fry and they are " champions" , so no I'm just looking to play pool and improve my game........thanks though
 
We are all staring down the blade of a double-edged sword. Knowledge (i.e. DVD's, books, etc.) is vital in ones successes at the table, but without the ABILITY TO EXECUTE it, all knowledge falls by the wayside. So, how does one gain the ability to execute with near perfection? IMO, it's a God-given talent (others might call this "natural" ability). Oh sure you can work on your fundamentals and hone your stroke down to a silky, smooth delivery, but that doesn't guarantee you'll pocket every makeable shot you face. Knowledge without ability to execute will get you out of plenty of jams, but it ain't gonna bring home the bacon. And...a God-given ability alone can go nowhere without knowledge. That said, if you have a beautiful stroke, good fundamentals, a God-given talent/ability for executing, AND you mix a sure-fire "system" in with the mix, THEN you're onto something!!!

Knowledge-------Ability to execute it = One is nothing without the other.

Maniac (knows the secret, just doesn't have all the pieces, and never will :()
 
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And you are not aware that James is already an accomplished player.

As for substantiation you can check on Stevie and Matt's records to see if they were lying about their victories. And Mr. Burford's victory was reported by someone else along with the unsolicited testimonial from him about how he credits CTE/ProOne with some of his improvement.

It's hilarious how the original poster is ASKING about people's play level after learning CTE and he gets answers along those lines and here you come telling him that those answers don't matter

I feel pretty secure though that you won't have the balls to walk up to Stevie Moore at a tournament and call him a liar over his testimonial about CTE. Much safer to do that anonymously though an internet forum isn't it?
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If James was already an accomplished player he wouldn't be discussing this nonsense in the first place.
As for substantiation, how can you equate a victory to an aiming system? How can you show that these two upper level players were able to step into the winners circle simply because they had adopted some type of system. What ever happened to the years upon years they spent learning, practicing, and playing that in reality got them to where they are in the first place. Well, the answer is, you can't. All you can do is bluster, and posture, and threaten, and I would be very careful, if I were you, about putting Mr. Moore in the position you just did.
Now how about you and your lackys leaving this forum and going somewhere else where you can all enjoy the taste of crap through cloth together. This is a pool forum. Not a CTE forum.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
If James was already an accomplished player he wouldn't be discussing this nonsense in the first place.
As for substantiation, how can you equate a victory to an aiming system? How can you show that these two upper level players were able to step into the winners circle simply because they had adopted some type of system. What ever happened to the years upon years they spent learning, practicing, and playing that in reality got them to where they are in the first place. Well, the answer is, you can't. All you can do is bluster, and posture, and threaten, and I would be very careful, if I were you, about putting Mr. Moore in the position you just did.
Now how about you and your lackys leaving this forum and going somewhere else where you can all enjoy the taste of crap through cloth together. This is a pool forum. Not a CTE forum.
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Agree. Last time I checked it was called AZ Billiards. CTE is as much of pool as a cue stick. Many things are discussed out here, only the ignorant choose to argue.....randyg
 
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