Cynergy 10.5 also good for Pool-Billard?
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It was designed for pool so i assume so. Most snooker players use 9.5 or less. A lot of the Chin.8b players seem to like this size. You better have a lazer accurate stroke to use one.
I use a 9.5-10mm cue for pool - works great. And since it’s just the larger tip with a thin outer layer removed, no extra stroke accuracy is required.
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Whatever you say. All i know is any time i've tried a real small shaft all i get is lots of unwanted spin. With a 12.5/12.75 i don't have that issue. I don't know one person that uses a shaft under 11mm for pool. At my local place there are maybe two people that use shafts under 12mm. I guess we're just not as enlightened around here.
I can't think of a physical reason for that. What physical reason do you think makes smaller tips less "forgiving"?
Thought experiment:
- start with a 12mm tip
- remove a 1mm outer layer (making the tip 10mm)
- how does that affect needed tip/ball accuracy?
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P.S. I know you're not interested in exploring the physics/logic of this - I'm responding to your posts, but really speaking to the peanut gallery.
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I own the cynergy 10.5.
I typically play with smaller diameter shafts ever since the 1st Z shaft.
Heres a few notables when using the 10.5 cynergy.
1. If you have flaws in your stroke they will be magnified 10 fold with this shaft.
2. It forces you to be very near perfect mechanics wise.
Meaning shot alignment must be extremely aligned before even laying down for the shot, from there dont let your wrist or elbow go from either left or right , unintentionally or youll pay upon the stroke release.
3.Long shots on a 9 footer are a fair amount more difficult to execute, especially when comparing a 11.8, which if you have experience with a 11.8mm you know some long shots are challenging, This 10.5 even moreso.
4. On the plus side after using proper mechanics when using the 10.5 , other larger tip diameters are much easier to execute with.
5. The amount of english the 10.5 generates is substantial, so i.e. when using a 11.8 , you can use the 1 tip method for english. Now with the 10.5mm youll only have to use a 1/2 tip english to achieve what 1 tip english does with 11.8 .
6. The 10.5 is very stiff, even with the standard sniper tip it comes with , which on avg snipers even hard play a tad soft.
7. When buying brand new the joints for radial and or 3/8×10 are ridiculously tight , & not only a pain to get on torwards the last few turns to flush up with the collar, but a even bigger pain to unscrew from the pin. So much so that Im sending my 10.5 cynergy back to cuetec to have them retap the damn thing.
In closing over all this shaft plays with very low deflection, its fairly stiff, & generates a ton of english with less effort, and like many other top tier cf shafts on the market , the cynergy 10.5 has alot of energy transfer.
Meaning it requires less of a pendulum swing to move the qball around. Its a good accurate shaft, but undoubtedly will expose any flaws in your stroke. So its great for a practice shaft to fine tune, and hone in on your mecheanics/ execution, but in a nerve/anxiety inducing situation , this may not be the goto , being its very unforgiving in regards to imperfections in mechanics.
I typically play with smaller diameter shafts ever since the 1st Z shaft.
Heres a few notables when using the 10.5 cynergy.
1. If you have flaws in your stroke they will be magnified 10 fold with this shaft.
2. It forces you to be very near perfect mechanics wise.
Meaning shot alignment must be extremely aligned before even laying down for the shot, from there dont let your wrist or elbow go from either left or right , unintentionally or youll pay upon the stroke release.
3.Long shots on a 9 footer are a fair amount more difficult to execute, especially when comparing a 11.8, which if you have experience with a 11.8mm you know some long shots are challenging, This 10.5 even moreso.
4. On the plus side after using proper mechanics when using the 10.5 , other larger tip diameters are much easier to execute with.
5. The amount of english the 10.5 generates is substantial, so i.e. when using a 11.8 , you can use the 1 tip method for english. Now with the 10.5mm youll only have to use a 1/2 tip english to achieve what 1 tip english does with 11.8 .
6. The 10.5 is very stiff, even with the standard sniper tip it comes with , which on avg snipers even hard play a tad soft.
7. When buying brand new the joints for radial and or 3/8×10 are ridiculously tight , & not only a pain to get on torwards the last few turns to flush up with the collar, but a even bigger pain to unscrew from the pin. So much so that Im sending my 10.5 cynergy back to cuetec to have them retap the damn thing.
In closing over all this shaft plays with very low deflection, its fairly stiff, & generates a ton of english with less effort, and like many other top tier cf shafts on the market , the cynergy 10.5 has alot of energy transfer.
Meaning it requires less of a pendulum swing to move the qball around. Its a good accurate shaft, but undoubtedly will expose any flaws in your stroke. So its great for a practice shaft to fine tune, and hone in on your mecheanics/ execution, but in a nerve/anxiety inducing situation , this may not be the goto , being its very unforgiving in regards to imperfections in mechanics.
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I have the 12.5, 11.8 and 10.5. I primarily use the 11.8 because the 12.5 has a bit more deflection and the 10.5 is too conical. IMO the deflection between 11.8 and 10.5 is very close to the same, so I gravitate to the one that is easier to use. Given the diameter of a pool ball, I don't find the smaller tip size to be required / helpful.
It's probably fine for pool, but I don't like it over the 11.8.
-td
It's probably fine for pool, but I don't like it over the 11.8.
-td
Oh jeez the mumbo jumbo over a small tip lol
What about a smaller tip makes these things true in your opinion- keeping in mind that a smaller tip is just the inner part of a larger one, and the missing thin outer layer rarely contacts the CB (only with maximum spin)?
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chgo
Exact impact point with smaller tip being I can see the intended strike zone on the q ball better @Patrick Johnson
That sounds like a smaller tip is easier to be accurate with...?
I like mine for that reason.
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^^It is indeed if all the pre shot mechanics are in place.
And if pre-shot mechanics aren't perfect, what about a smaller tip makes the outcome worse?
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Flakeandrun
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I believe they've basically made this to sell in China for Chinese 8-ball (...and for those who are playing other pocket billiards games that think smaller means better). This particular size is aimed at the Chinese market, and more specifically, Chinese 8 players, who are either going all out on expensive pool cues, or buying expensive full shaft snooker cues and having them mutilated to suit.
I can't get on with anything but 9.5 on a snooker table, and I am using a 12.2 or 12.5 (depending on the game) shaft for American table. I can see how and why a smaller tip can be beneficial on the napped Chinese 8 tables, somewhat irrelevant on American tables with less reactive cloth/cushions.
There are a few in my area. No one is complaining. 8 and 9 ball.
All i know is what see. don't give a damn about all the science mumbo-jumbo to be brutally honest. you can talk til you pass out as far as i'm concerned. i had a Pred Z-shaft(11.7) for about 3 days. Biggest pos i ever hit a ball with. Was getting all kinds of unwanted juice. Went back to a 12.75 and all good. Mental? Maybe, i don't know or really care. I've had same outcome with other sub 12mm shafts too. I'm into results, the hows/whys don't mean crap in the long run. Just more ammo for 'the peanut gallery' that obsess over technical stuff.
Might be useful info. If I'm right then your problem isn't the smaller tips - it's either an illusion or you're doing something differently. I respect your choices, but I'd want to know if I was doing something differently.
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@Patrick Johnson I believe you already know the answer to that question.
As I've said, I believe the answer is it isn't worse - I'm asking what makes you think it is.
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