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[macguy]

i get what you're saying about stamina for Triple Crown. (i was a LITTLE irritated yesterday).

but i thought he recanted during his statement, that every horse @ Belmont should have had to race, in at least ONE of Derby/Preakness? (not both).

i don't know the stats of the winner & top 4. did they meet "his qualifiers"? if so, then he's dead in the water -

Tonalist and Commissioner who ran first and second in the Belmont also ran first and second on the Belmont track back in May. Tonalist and Commissioner were fresh and did not run in either of the other two races while the third place finisher Medal Count did run in the Kentucky Derby. So I guess by his rules Medal Count is the winner.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Tonalist and Commissioner who ran first and second in the Belmont also ran first and second on the Belmont track back in May. Tonalist and Commissioner were fresh and did not run in either of the other two races while the third place finisher Medal Count did run in the Kentucky Derby. So I guess by his rules Medal Count is the winner.

How long does it take a horse to recover to have "fresh legs"?

I'm trying to process how much credence I should give to Steve Coburn's
p1ssy rant.

 

[BeiberLvr]

i get what you're saying about stamina for Triple Crown. (i was a LITTLE irritated yesterday).

but i thought he recanted during his statement, that every horse @ Belmont should have had to race, in at least ONE of Derby/Preakness? (not both).

i don't know the stats of the winner & top 4. did they meet "his qualifiers"? if so, then he's dead in the water -

What he says has merit, in that the 20 horses that race Derby should be the only ones allowed to race in the Belmont. The problem is that this isn't the case, and it's nothing new, so complaining about it after the fact just makes him look like a sore loser.

Think about it this way. Had Chrome won, would he have still complained? Not a chance.

Out of the 14 horses that ran last year's Belmont, 5 of them hadn't competed in either the Derby or Preakness. Only 3 of the 14 horses actually ran all 3 races. On top of that, the winner of the Belmont only raced the Derby before, but not the Preakness.

 

[Johnnyt]

OMG I watched his Belmont like 10 times at least today...even posted it as my status to Facebook. For sure the highest gear I've ever seen in any sport ever. Just so humbling!

KMRUNOUT

My wife and I were there that day in 73. It was and still is unbelievable to watch him opening up to a 25 length lead. After he died they did an autopsy and said his heart was more than 3 times larger than the average horse. Johnnyt

 

[macguy]

What he says has merit, in that the 20 horses that race Derby should be the only ones allowed to race in the Belmont. The problem is that this isn't the case, and it's nothing new, so complaining about it after the fact just makes him look like a sore loser.

Think about it this way. Had Chrome won, would he have still complained? Not a chance.

Out of the 14 horses that ran last year's Belmont, 5 of them hadn't competed in either the Derby or Preakness. Only 3 of the 14 horses actually ran all 3 races. On top of that, the winner of the Belmont only raced the Derby before, but not the Preakness.

Winning the three is very hard that is why it is important. The formula seems to be to win the three races, you have to be an amazing horse, one that comes along only every few decades. Or a very good horse in a year of mediocre horses. This may be what you have with CCrome. He is a good horse but look at the time he ran the Derby in, it was a slow race.

This horse is no world beater. In Belmont the horse may very well have been hurt but who knows if that was a factor. They said this morning that he stepped on his own foot causing a cut. The fact is, he was not boxed it and the jockey got him in the open on the outside. If the horse had anything left in him we would have sen it even if he didn't end up winning. The horse seemed to have nothing left when it was asked of him.

This is not to say he will not go on to a nice winning career, he just came off 6 in a row, but it was not to be for the triple crown.

 

[macguy]

How long does it take a horse to recover to have "fresh legs"?

I'm trying to process how much credence I should give to Steve Coburn's
p1ssy rant.

I am sure each horse is different but according to the Jockey club the average is 6.2 starts a year. That is like an 8 week average although they may race several races and then have a longer break. Years ago they raced a circuit and they may run as often as every 10 days to 2 weeks than be off for months. They were like boxers who just fought for small purses and were never going to be any kinds of champions.
I can't imagine seeing a real top notch horse abused like that.

 

[pt109]

Sooooooo.........a woman goes to a shrink.
She says "Doc, I got a problem. My husband thinks he's a horse."
The doc says "That's a serious problem, It'll take a lot of therapy.....very expensive
Can you afford it?"
She says "Certainly, he won his last three starts!"




He was a lousy eight-ball player, couldn't stop horsing around

 

[Johnnyt]

Sooooooo.........a woman goes to a shrink.
She says "Doc, I got a problem. My husband thinks he's a horse."
The doc says "That's a serious problem, It'll take a lot of therapy.....very expensive
Can you afford it?"
She says "Certainly, he won his last three starts!"




He was a lousy eight-ball player, couldn't stop horsing around

LMAO. Johnnyt

 

[GeoEnvi]

How long does it take a horse to recover to have "fresh legs"?

I'm trying to process how much credence I should give to Steve Coburn's
p1ssy rant.

A modern thoroughbred horse of Grade 1 caliber, will likely race only once every 4 to 6 weeks. It wasn't always that way. Much is discussed of how modern racing is breeding away the durability of the breed. Many compare it to how MLB teams baby their star pitchers, via limiting pitch counts and 4 days rest. It's the same reason for both... too much money tied up in the bloodstock investment.

Running 3 times in 5 weeks is not something any of these horses will ever do again. Running 3 races in a row at these distances is not something these horses will ever do again. Most might be lucky to ever run 1.5 miles again.

That said, the Triple Crown winners have done it before, so Steve Coburn has little to argue. As a fan of horseracing for many years, Coburn's sour grapes are the bitterest I've seen. It was out of place. He should have been happy with winning two legs with a $10500 horse.

 

[Jeff Rosen]

I beat the crowd at Belmont. I went there Friday instead of Saturday then watched the Belmont in a poolroom while playing in an APA singles cash tournament. Actually, Belmont was crowded on Friday.

 

[Mr. Wiggles]

Earls cousin?

That owner after the race was an a$$hole. He undid the whole Cinderella story that had been going on for the last few weeks in just one interview.

Definitely Earls first cousin! Absolute embarrassment to the horse racing industry.

 

[Johnnyt]

A modern thoroughbred horse of Grade 1 caliber, will likely race only once every 4 to 6 weeks. It wasn't always that way. Much is discussed of how modern racing is breeding away the durability of the breed. Many compare it to how MLB teams baby their star pitchers, via limiting pitch counts and 4 days rest. It's the same reason for both... too much money tied up in the bloodstock investment.

Running 3 times in 5 weeks is not something any of these horses will ever do again. Running 3 races in a row at these distances is not something these horses will ever do again. Most might be lucky to ever run 1.5 miles again.

That said, the Triple Crown winners have done it before, so Steve Coburn has little to argue. As a fan of horseracing for many years, Coburn's sour grapes are the bitterest I've seen. It was out of place. He should have been happy with winning two legs with a $10500 horse.

^^^THIS^^^...Johnnyt