G-10 pins
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depends on the size. There's a cuemaker that does G-10 in 3/8. He has it labeled as a "jump cue pin", but I think you'd be able to do what you want...here's the link: http://www.cuesupply.com/Screwsandinserts.htmnewo9277 said:
There's word that www.atlasbilliards.com will be selling them soon too. If you need other sizes, let me know, and I'll see what I can dig up!
Does anyone know the origin of the pin originally? Seems as If I saw on someones site that they said they were the first, and all others could not be of the same material, because they knew of no one with the same connection to it that they have. Atleast I think It was the G-10, but could be mistaken.
> As far as I know,Joe Gold of Cognoscenti was the first,and for a LONG time,the only cuemaker using G-10 pins. I heard him tell someone at the 1994 U.S. Open that no one could counterfeit his pins because NASA was the only place you could get it,and he had worked it out with them where NO other cuemaker could get it. How much truth there is to that at the time is anyone's guess. I think the parent company of Atlas Billiards makes it,along with DuPont. Barringer Cues/Cue Components advertises a black,rolled rod G-10,and claims that the greenish/white stuff is made from sheet rod,but have not had a sample on hand to examine this. G-10 is good stuff,would like to have some myself. Tommy D.
If you all purchase the rod, trust me, send it to TNS cues. Tom makes the pins for quite a few of us and does a great job.
Thanks Guys, Seems as if read the same as me, and some of the extra info is what I was curious about. Guess It's safe to say the pins are worth persueing If you guys use them, and want to if not yet using. So the greenish Is the way to go I suppose? What is the benifit, besides weight, and strenth? Do they have better feedback, or dampening? I have not even shot with one myself, just heard all the buzz about them, and got me curious. Can you get a steel joint around one? Curious about drilling & tapping as well. has anyone done a radial type pin from this material? thought I might to like to try one on My personal cue first.
Did you check : http://www.cuesupply.com/Screwsandinserts.htm for them? And as for cue components, sometimes calling them is the best answer. There's another for you to check out. You may have to call him http://www.diveneycue.com/ he has the g-10, but if I remember correctly, they're a tad smaller than the cogs. Call and talk to Pat. He's a great guy who'll help anyone out.newo9277 said:
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You can buy the rod from Atlas and send it to Tom I like the green better than the black.
It machines better, when cutting the threads. Because of that reason I have never used the black for a pin.
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Bob,
Which McMaster catalog do you have?
The one that is on the shelf i'm looking at says 106.
I don't know how long we've had it, the prices might have changed.
I think i bought some 9/16 rod G10 (i can use it for just about anything at that size, i even made a ferrule out of it, but the color was a distraction
)a year or so ago from MSC, but i can't remember what it cost me.
Thanks,
Jon
Which McMaster catalog do you have?
The one that is on the shelf i'm looking at says 106.
I don't know how long we've had it, the prices might have changed.
I think i bought some 9/16 rod G10 (i can use it for just about anything at that size, i even made a ferrule out of it, but the color was a distraction
)a year or so ago from MSC, but i can't remember what it cost me.Thanks,
Jon
> Here is the cut/paste of the Barringer article about G10,apparently I was misguided about them actually selling it,my mistake.
The Joint Pin; Specifically G10...
There are two types of G10 pins. The most common being the flat laminated sheet material turned round. The much more elusive and costly is the rolled G10. Most, if not all cue makers who use G10 are using the flat sheet material turned round; some with knowledge and most without. Additionally, many people, in all probability do not even know that there are two types. However, due to this writing, now everyone will know. Flat sheet turned round is the most readily available and least expensive. At Barringer Cues we use the rolled G10 which is many times more costly. Now you have a question and say, why? Well, picture a flat laminated shaft. The same principal may hold true for flat sheet turned round G10. Depending how you hold the cue may impact the way the cue hits. We believe this to be true. As such, we are probably the only cue makers using the more costly rolled G10 pins in our cues. Also, to our knowledge, we are the only cue makers who are able to offer the black G10 pin. Most all other cue makers are using the green G10. And that’s our 2¢. And, we do not sell the black G10 material to anyone so please don’t ask.
NOTE.... About Genuine Rolled Black G10...
It has come to our attention that some cue makers are dying the green sheet flat stock, turned round G10 with black dye to resemble our genuine rolled black G10. How do you know if you are getting genuine black rolled G10? Please read on........ Many cue makers have asked us where to get black rolled G10 and we do not divulge that information. To date, and to our knowledge, we are the only cue makers offering genuine rolled black G10. Genuine rolled black G10 offers an outstanding hit unlike anything else. Additionally.... since the BCA trade show in Las Vegas this year (2004), many cue makers are trying to obtain the black rolled G10 without success. The interest is astounding! We do not offer it for sale to anyone. We have given it to two cue makers, who are friends to use on their cues. They have made a total of four cues each and that is it as it will never be offered again. Rolled black G10 is not readily available and we do not believe anyone will be able to obtain it. As such, we can say with confidence, that until someone shows us an invoice for actual rolled black G10 from a legitimate source, we will not back down from saying that we are the only source. So, if you see a black G10 pin out there and it does not have the Barringer name on it, chances are that it is, in all probability, dyed flat green sheet G10. You can email us if you own one of the eight cues made by our friends to verify the authenticity. Other than that.... Barringer Cues is the only source for genuine rolled black G10 pins.
> Whether or not this is just a marketing tactic or the truth is not my place to decide. On the other hand,when my cues come out,I am going to make my joint pins out of "unobtanium",and copyright the word as well. Tommy D.
The Joint Pin; Specifically G10...
There are two types of G10 pins. The most common being the flat laminated sheet material turned round. The much more elusive and costly is the rolled G10. Most, if not all cue makers who use G10 are using the flat sheet material turned round; some with knowledge and most without. Additionally, many people, in all probability do not even know that there are two types. However, due to this writing, now everyone will know. Flat sheet turned round is the most readily available and least expensive. At Barringer Cues we use the rolled G10 which is many times more costly. Now you have a question and say, why? Well, picture a flat laminated shaft. The same principal may hold true for flat sheet turned round G10. Depending how you hold the cue may impact the way the cue hits. We believe this to be true. As such, we are probably the only cue makers using the more costly rolled G10 pins in our cues. Also, to our knowledge, we are the only cue makers who are able to offer the black G10 pin. Most all other cue makers are using the green G10. And that’s our 2¢. And, we do not sell the black G10 material to anyone so please don’t ask.
NOTE.... About Genuine Rolled Black G10...
It has come to our attention that some cue makers are dying the green sheet flat stock, turned round G10 with black dye to resemble our genuine rolled black G10. How do you know if you are getting genuine black rolled G10? Please read on........ Many cue makers have asked us where to get black rolled G10 and we do not divulge that information. To date, and to our knowledge, we are the only cue makers offering genuine rolled black G10. Genuine rolled black G10 offers an outstanding hit unlike anything else. Additionally.... since the BCA trade show in Las Vegas this year (2004), many cue makers are trying to obtain the black rolled G10 without success. The interest is astounding! We do not offer it for sale to anyone. We have given it to two cue makers, who are friends to use on their cues. They have made a total of four cues each and that is it as it will never be offered again. Rolled black G10 is not readily available and we do not believe anyone will be able to obtain it. As such, we can say with confidence, that until someone shows us an invoice for actual rolled black G10 from a legitimate source, we will not back down from saying that we are the only source. So, if you see a black G10 pin out there and it does not have the Barringer name on it, chances are that it is, in all probability, dyed flat green sheet G10. You can email us if you own one of the eight cues made by our friends to verify the authenticity. Other than that.... Barringer Cues is the only source for genuine rolled black G10 pins.
> Whether or not this is just a marketing tactic or the truth is not my place to decide. On the other hand,when my cues come out,I am going to make my joint pins out of "unobtanium",and copyright the word as well. Tommy D.
I really dunno what the big deal is about G10 pins.
Titanium is readily available if one wants a light pin.
You can even have a radial titanium pin.
Titanium is readily available if one wants a light pin.
You can even have a radial titanium pin.
The theory is G10 is suppose to hit closest to wood.
What's the original intended use for the black G10?
The phenolics we use in cues are really intended for insulation and fabricaton of/for engineering work. For sure it wasn't invented or intended to be used as merely joint pins in cues. I believe if the intended use for the black rolled G10 would be well defined it won't be hard to locate a source for it. There are also a lot of other thermoset materials that would be tough enough to be used as joint pins and not far off from the characteristics of a rolled G10.
Hadj
The phenolics we use in cues are really intended for insulation and fabricaton of/for engineering work. For sure it wasn't invented or intended to be used as merely joint pins in cues. I believe if the intended use for the black rolled G10 would be well defined it won't be hard to locate a source for it. There are also a lot of other thermoset materials that would be tough enough to be used as joint pins and not far off from the characteristics of a rolled G10.
Hadj
Most phenolics were built for electrical isolation, I think.hadjcues said:
http://www.boedeker.com/ilamg_p.htm