Gambling With Someone That Can't Afford To Lose (long)

Get_A_Grip

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Well, I wouldn't feel bad in the least.



I would consider him an idiot/fool and you know what they say about a fool and their money, right?

I think that he's around a 580 Fargo Rating. But occasionally he can catch a gear and play very well and beat guys over a 600 rating for a set or two. I think that this has given him false confidence that if he just bears down, he can win. He's also the type of guy that would never ask for a spot. So like other's have said, he's probably a good player and gambler's dream opponent.



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cubswin

Just call me Joe...
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Pool should be fun. I prefer to play with people who can actually pay. Right now there are two guys who owe me money from gambling at pool. One I know will never pay me, the other probably will eventually.

I won't play with either of them, regardless if they pay me or not. If I lose I pay, though I did have a issue a few months ago where the atm wouldn't let me get cash. The guy I was playing knew that was the case, and I just sent it to him by paypal.
 

grindz

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Im not wired like that either...do something nice for the guy and dont say shit...just pay his time one night or if theres an all day rate pay his so when he walks in and it's on the house he'll know in his mind where it came from. You dont owe him a thing but truth is you owe it to yourself to set it right. If you've played months with a guy it cant be all about the money...go with the humanity that your gut is telling you

I’m right there with ya.....
Everyone has their own set of values.....listen to yours, whatever it may be.

Td
 

Danimal

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Pushout

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First time this has happened to you? Some people just hate to lose. I bet he had no problem taking your money. If it bothers you, don't play him again or at least let some time pass before playing him again.
 

Drop The Rock

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hmmm

I have met a few guys like this before. They were more addicted to action than pool. Pool was just another means of gambling for them. I am the opposite. Action is a means for me to play with more pressure at times. I will always be more addicted to pool than the action.

That being said, if this was the only guy in the room I could play a cheap set with, I'd play him every time, as long as he posted. I don't like having to deal with people who air me.

If he was really hard on cash, I might tell him to pay me when he gets his next check.
 

Get_A_Grip

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I have met a few guys like this before. They were more addicted to action than pool. Pool was just another means of gambling for them. I am the opposite. Action is a means for me to play with more pressure at times. I will always be more addicted to pool than the action.

That being said, if this was the only guy in the room I could play a cheap set with, I'd play him every time, as long as he posted. I don't like having to deal with people who air me.

If he was really hard on cash, I might tell him to pay me when he gets his next check.
Just to clarify my "guilt" comment. I don't feel bad taking his money at all. And I wasn't worried that he wouldn't at least eventually pay me. I felt a little guilty when the guy had to go to the ATM twice for the last two $50 sets, and he apparently cleaned out the last $50 that he has to his name.

I don't think that I ever go to the ATM machine and take out less that $200, due to the $2.50 fee that they charge. So after his first visit to the ATM, I just assumed that if he owed me $50, that he would have AT LEAST taken out $100, so he had some money in his wallet. Nope. I'm guessing that he only took out $50 the first time because he only had $50 left and he didn't want to spend every last dime that he had.

It just felt weird to me that someone would gamble every last dime that they have in their bank account is all. I have no idea of his financial obligations or his bills, but I'm guessing that he'll now be needing to borrow money from someone else before the end of the month or until his next check.

On a side note. After beating him 9-3 and 9-3, when playing on his last dime, he did manage to get to 8-8 until he dogged the ball before the 9 ball. So his theory of being able to dig down deep and beat me at least one set, wasn't that far off. He only fell a little bit short.
 
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Get_A_Grip

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I have met a few guys like this before. They were more addicted to action than pool. Pool was just another means of gambling for them. I am the opposite. Action is a means for me to play with more pressure at times. I will always be more addicted to pool than the action.

That being said, if this was the only guy in the room I could play a cheap set with, I'd play him every time, as long as he posted. I don't like having to deal with people who air me.

If he was really hard on cash, I might tell him to pay me when he gets his next check.
Oh, and to address whether he likes gambling or pool more. I do play the slot machines occasionally, even though I know that they are a losing proposition. Well, although I have seen this guy play the slots a little bit, I can guarantee you that he likes to gamble on pool WAY more then just gambling in any other way.

I even mentioned to him that night that I had played dice the other day for money, and he was surprised that I would rather do that than play pool for money. I told him that it wasn't me that suggested dice, but the other guy after I had beat him 4 games in a row. So this guy definitely loves playing pool for money more than he likes gambling at any other thing.
 

Get_A_Grip

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First time this has happened to you? Some people just hate to lose. I bet he had no problem taking your money. If it bothers you, don't play him again or at least let some time pass before playing him again.
It's the first time someone spent every last dime that they had to pay to me, yes.

I know that it wouldn't bother many people. It kind-of feels like to me when people say that it's someone's right to commit suicide and they have no problem with it. But this felt like he committed suicide by jumping in front of my car to do it. LOL
 

Black-Balled

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People who think like you do dont act like the guy that caused this thread to be started...

I am 69 yrs old and have gambled since I was in grade school in some form or another. I still have the 1st Beatles album I won playing 1 on 1 basketball or maybe it was horse, another basketball game we used to play. When I started playing pool that's all we did was gamble 25 cents a game 9 ball in the late 60's, 10 dollar 1 pocket in the 80's was kind of the standard bet in the pool room I played in. I have to drive 60 miles 1 way to get to a real pool room now, so I play better then I ever have but just for fun at the local sr ctr which is still about 18 miles 1 way. Here's the deal. I go to the casinos and gamble, and I do ok, but if I lose they don't offer to give me my money back. If you can't afford to lose, don't gamble. Its like some players don't get that when you bet you can beat the other player, you're gambling. When I gamble I play to win money, and I don't play to win and give the other player their money back. If I lose, I pay on the spot. I'm gambling to win money, or I would not gamble. Sorry about the rant, but I get tired of pool players that can't play, don't know how to make a game, and cry when they lose.
 

Bob Jewett

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It's the first time someone spent every last dime that they had to pay to me, yes....
I think you don't know how much money the guy has or where he keeps it. Did you watch him check his balance on the ATM? Did he also check his savings account? Do you know about the $3000 that he keeps hidden under the urn that contains his grandfather's ashes?

After he lied to you once, why do you think he will not lie again?

Do you dislike rhetorical questions as much as I do?
 

alstl

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In that scenario I doubt I'd take the money but if a guy is that addicted to gambling somebody will take his money so I don't really feel much sympathy.
 

Tooler

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Im not wired like that either...do something nice for the guy and dont say shit...just pay his time one night or if theres an all day rate pay his so when he walks in and it's on the house he'll know in his mind where it came from. You dont owe him a thing but truth is you owe it to yourself to set it right. If you've played months with a guy it cant be all about the money...go with the humanity that your gut is telling you

Right on....

It's obvious he's in a little over his head. Maybe give him a decent spot, and see if you can out run it....
 

Get_A_Grip

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I think you don't know how much money the guy has or where he keeps it. Did you watch him check his balance on the ATM? Did he also check his savings account? Do you know about the $3000 that he keeps hidden under the urn that contains his grandfather's ashes?

After he lied to you once, why do you think he will not lie again?

Do you dislike rhetorical questions as much as I do?
Because before the last $50, he told me that he was totally broke. If you think that he has $3000 under an urn at home, you're living in fantasy land. A huge percentage of the USA population lives paycheck to paycheck, he is one of them.

I even commented on the circumstantial evidence. Who goes to the ATM and only takes out the $50 that he owes, leaving nothing in his wallet? Makes zero sense. That was it. He's busted until his next check.
 
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Pushout

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Because before the last $50, he told me that he was totally broke. If you think that he has $3000 under an urn at home, you're living in fantasy land. A huge percentage of the USA population lives paycheck to paycheck, he is one of them.

I even commented on the circumstantial evidence. Who goes to the ATM and only takes out the $50 that he owes, leaving nothing in his wallet? Makes zero sense. That was it. He's busted until his next check.

Only once in my playing career did I play with no money on me. I went to the room with the notion to win just what I needed at the time. I won, if I had lost I'd have owed it but anyone who knew me knew I was good for it. I've known guys who literally lost the rent money and they were not always good for it if they didn't have it on them.
 

rossaroni

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The guy used an ATM, so he has a bank account. That is already better then half of pool players. :)
 

Johnny Rosato

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If you don't take his money you realize he's just gonna run out and buy groceries and pay bills, right? Then it'll be your fault! lol
 

Johnny Rosato

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Just to clarify my "guilt" comment. I don't feel bad taking his money at all. And I wasn't worried that he wouldn't at least eventually pay me. I felt a little guilty when the guy had to go to the ATM twice for the last two $50 sets, and he apparently cleaned out the last $50 that he has to his name.

I don't think that I ever go to the ATM machine and take out less that $200, due to the $2.50 fee that they charge. So after his first visit to the ATM, I just assumed that if he owed me $50, that he would have AT LEAST taken out $100, so he had some money in his wallet. Nope. I'm guessing that he only took out $50 the first time because he only had $50 left and he didn't want to spend every last dime that he had.

It just felt weird to me that someone would gamble every last dime that they have in their bank account is all. I have no idea of his financial obligations or his bills, but I'm guessing that he'll now be needing to borrow money from someone else before the end of the month or until his next check.

On a side note. After beating him 9-3 and 9-3, when playing on his last dime, he did manage to get to 8-8 until he dogged the ball before the 9 ball. So his theory of being able to dig down deep and beat me at least one set, wasn't that far off. He only fell a little bit short.
I thought ATM's gave out money in variables of $20. Did it give him 2 $20's and a $10 or a $50 bill?
 
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