Grady Mathews vs Billy Incardonna

Russ Chewning

Russ Chewning

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I thought it would fun to quote a few conversations between Grady and Billy, as they were always immensely entertaining to listen to while in the Accu-Stats booth. FWIW, I do think Grady baited Billy a lot in a good natured way, and Billy didn't take it well often. Also, Billy doesn't like getting proven wrong.

Grady: Billy, do you think it is within the bounds of propriety, when you are getting drummed on as Jose it at the moment, to move the rack a quarter of an inch to one side or the other?

Billy: Well, I don't know anything about that.... I know it has everything to do with survival.

Grady: You don't know anthing about that? I'd hate to break your racks for a living, Billy.


Same match:

Billy: I don't think he will hit the one ball. I don't see any accessible route to the one ball..

Grady: I'd like to bet everything I own I can hit this one ball. I would shorten it up with low left english.. One rail. Just above the nine. A billiard shot shown to me by my friend.

Billy: He cannot hit that part of the rail.

Grady: Billy, can you remember how these balls are laying?

Billy: He cannot hit that part of the rail.

Grady: Well, when we are done, I will bet you all day long I can hit this ball.

(Efren kicks and hits the one ball using technique Grady stated)

Billy: Well, he can hit that part of the rail.

(Grady says nothing, but I could hear him smiling on the tape...)

I'll include some more over the next few days. I thought a lot of the members who don't have these matches would enjoy the banter.

Feel free to include your own Billy/Grady matches..

Russ
 
Have you seen the grudge match when Grady and Billy finally meet in the bracket of some one-pocket tournament covered by accu-stats? I don't remember the year or event, but the commentators are Buddy Hall and W.W. Woody. A very entertaining match to watch. Hall and Woody come up with as many gems in the booth as Incardona and Matthews do on the table.

-Andrew
 
I always enjoyed the banter between these 2, but sometimes it distracts from the game at hand you're trying to watch. Too bad Grady is evidently on the outs with Accu-stats or Accu-stats is on the outs with him. Either way he isn't doing commentary for them anymore.
I always liked Danny Dileberto and Bill Incardona doing a match. Danny seemed to have a more tactful way of handling Bill. Didn't seem to wind up in a confrontation with him.
 
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Andrew Manning said:
Have you seen the grudge match when Grady and Billy finally meet in the bracket of some one-pocket tournament covered by accu-stats? I don't remember the year or event, but the commentators are Buddy Hall and W.W. Woody. A very entertaining match to watch. Hall and Woody come up with as many gems in the booth as Incardona and Matthews do on the table.

-Andrew
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This the one?

One Pocket (VHS) : 1994 Roanoke One Pocket Championships
Item: Bill Incardona vs. Grady Mathews* (SF) SKU: R1P-10
 
Cardone wins on the hill. It is a good match, with good commentary. Also interesting is that Grady switches cues periodically through the match. I think they stated that Grady preferred the other cue for certain cut shots. It was truly anyone's match and Billy pulled it out at that time.
 
I just KNEW when you said you were selling me ALL of your Accu-Stat tapes, that you were holding out...... dammit
Doug
( I should have counted twice )
 
DiLiberto vs. Incardona in the Booth

catscradle said:
I always liked Danny Dileberto and Bill Incardona doing a match. Danny seemed to have a more tactful way of handling Bill. Didn't seem to wind up in a confrontation with him.
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Oh yeah? Then you haven't seen the Strickland vs. Ervolino straight pool match from Grady's Maine Event back in 1995. This is one of my favorite Accu-Stats tapes for the following reasons:

1) Strickland playing straight pool for the first time in a tourny.

2) Ervolino starts with a beautiful 80-ball run, then proceeds to run out of gas.

3) DiLiberto and Incardona (and even CJ) in the booth -- simply hilarious!
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I just KNEW when you said you were selling me ALL of your Accu-Stat tapes, that you were holding out...... dammit
Doug
( I should have counted twice )
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Ummm.... I am pleading the fifth!

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
I thought it would fun to quote a few conversations between Grady and Billy, as they were always immensely entertaining to listen to while in the Accu-Stats booth. FWIW, I do think Grady baited Billy a lot in a good natured way, and Billy didn't take it well often. Also, Billy doesn't like getting proven wrong.

Grady: Billy, do you think it is within the bounds of propriety, when you are getting drummed on as Jose it at the moment, to move the rack a quarter of an inch to one side or the other?

Billy: Well, I don't know anything about that.... I know it has everything to do with survival.

Grady: You don't know anthing about that? I'd hate to break your racks for a living, Billy.

Same match:

Billy: I don't think he will hit the one ball. I don't see any accessible route to the one ball..

Grady: I'd like to bet everything I own I can hit this one ball. I would shorten it up with low left english.. One rail. Just above the nine. A billiard shot shown to me by my friend.

Billy: He cannot hit that part of the rail.

Grady: Billy, can you remember how these balls are laying?

Billy: He cannot hit that part of the rail.

Grady: Well, when we are done, I will bet you all day long I can hit this ball.

(Efren kicks and hits the one ball using technique Grady stated)

Billy: Well, he can hit that part of the rail.

(Grady says nothing, but I could hear him smiling on the tape...)

I'll include some more over the next few days. I thought a lot of the members who don't have these matches would enjoy the banter.

Feel free to include your own Billy/Grady matches..

Russ
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The best one I heard lately, although it wasn't Grady...

Billy I ( I think ) was talking about what he learned from various greats of the game, Unfortunately I can't remember the line verbatim....

Billy: I learned a lot from all of the greats, I learned to bank from ______. I learned to play safe from _________. etc... What I learned from Efren was....not to play Efren.

Cheers,
RC
 
RC that gem is from Incardonas One pocket tape. A Common Sense approach to 1p. I love it when he reluctantly admits to knowing a kick shot from Grady.
 
uwate said:
RC that gem is from Incardonas One pocket tape. A Common Sense approach to 1p. I love it when he reluctantly admits to knowing a kick shot from Grady.
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Yes, he mentioned that it was on one of his tapes, but where I saw it was the Derby City DVD with Efren vs. Pagulyan and Efren vs. Jason Miller. Efren is SCARY good in those two matches.

Cheers,
RC
 
I think Billy brings a lot of it on himself. Arguing with someone who obviously knows a lot more about kick shots than he does, and then Efren makes him look silly by executing the shot.

An example of it is when they were commentating a match between Dennis Hatch when he was 18, and Efren. Efren is absolutely crushing Dennis, and Billy makes an offhand comment about if he were Dennis, he'd be looking forward to the end of the match. (Dennis was being beaten 9-0 or 9-1 at that point.

Grady responds something like, "Well, you know Billy, if I were in this situation, I'd be thinking "Wow, it would be nice if I could get a shot and put 3 or 4 racks together to show that I am a capable professional, and maybe eventually get back in the match.", I don't think Dennis has any quit it him."

Billy took it as if (and rightly so, I believe) Grady were saying Billy wasn't thinking like a champion by making that statement. And Grady would be right. A professional is not out of a match until the last ball is pocketed. It's what makes them professionals.

It's little stuff like that probably gets on Billy's nerves. Grady does call him out when he gets out of line. In the above example, Grady could have been a lot more obvious in calling Billy out on doggish thinking, but Grady simply gave his opinion on the right way to think as a professional. Billy took it personally. Sounds like maybe some self esteem issues.

Personally, I think Accu-Stats picked the wrong person to get rid of. Grady can liven up any commentary. Billy sounds really goofy commentating with Wych.

Just my .02.

Russ
 
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sixpack said:
Yes, he mentioned that it was on one of his tapes, but where I saw it was the Derby City DVD with Efren vs. Pagulyan and Efren vs. Jason Miller. Efren is SCARY good in those two matches.

Cheers,
RC
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Yeah.. He does. That DVD is the only match I have with Jason Miller, and well.. Let's just say I STILL don't know how well Jason plays! :D :D :D

Russ
 
You guys know about Grady's match with Billy at Derby City this year. Billy took it down. I believe they played race to four for 2K. Someone refresh me on that. May have been for more.
 
Russ Chewning said:
...Personally, I think Accu-Stats picked the wrong person to get rid of. Grady can liven up any commentary. Billy sounds really goofy commentating with Wych.

Just my .02.

Russ
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I think they should have kept them both and never got Wych, but I don't thin Wych was a choice they had to make.
 
Jim Wych is the worst commentator ever. He makes pool sound like soccer. He has no real insight and he is CONSTANTLY wrong. Grady and Billy were great not only for their insight into the game but also the color commentary about the other aspects of pool and the pool players themselves.
 
Accustats has had some really good commentators besides Billy and Grady.
Danny D
Mark Wilson
Freddie the beard
Nick Varner
Buddy
Bill Staton

I also like Kevin Smith alot on the one pocket commentary. Some of the worst commentary comes from the great players who step into the booth for the first time. Alot say very little and some just want to talk about how good they play.
 
uwate said:
Accustats has had some really good commentators besides Billy and Grady.
Danny D
Mark Wilson
Freddie the beard
Nick Varner
Buddy
Bill Staton

I also like Kevin Smith alot on the one pocket commentary. Some of the worst commentary comes from the great players who step into the booth for the first time. Alot say very little and some just want to talk about how good they play.
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Another one I don't think Billy likes very much. It was so funny watching Mark try to hold his tongue when interviewing Cory Deuel after Cory used his Eight ball break for One Pocket and still beat some good player. Mark almost looked embarassed to be interviewing Cory after that match.

Russ
 
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