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The parade missed me by three states. Scott Frost told me I played "ok" once, I could barely get my head through the pool room door, for a week.
I had a stiff back, a friend got me working out lifting weights, the clean and jerk fixed it. When you are standing normally, your lower back is concave. If you sit a lot your hamstrings tighten up and when you bend over, your pelvis stays upright forcing your back to bend. When you put much force through your lower back and it's out of alignment, that's when your shit blows up.Amen to that. I just got back into pool about 6 months ago after not really playing for 20 years. I have never had back problems in my life, but after playing for an hour or two non-stop, my back hurts for hours. I'm sure it's because I get down so low on my shot, but that's how I've always done it....so now I'm just praying that it doesn't get worse!
Steve Mizerak had one for a while in the mid '90s. Maybe because the old guard couldn't expose themselves to every player and learn from them they seemed to have a different style.Time for a senior tour. By the time most pros hit 45-47 they can't hang with the kids. I think a new 50+ tour would work. Hell, Matchroom could have a sr. division at some of their bigger events.
You're probably right about Thorsten. He still plays a lot of tournaments but he rarely finishes high. About Mika... At one point I thought he had given up pool altogether and became a lifestyle influencer on social media. Obviously he's still at it but like Thorsten, high finishes are rare. Niels would probably be at the top if it wasn't for Covid. SInce the start of the pandemic he developed a pretty successful YouTube channel and even offers online courses. I assume he avoids longer trips because of his family. Covid's still going strong in a lot of countries and maybe he just doesn't want to risk not being able to come home from some of those trips. By the way, he said that he is attending some of the big tournaments that are coming up, so we'll see.These guys are also destroying players that where on top of the pool world 20 or so years ago. As much as a health nut and disciplined player as he is, guys like Thorsten are probably never going to win another major tournament again. Same with Mika and Neils.
Same thing with Tennis. I think today's women could compete with the top men from the 60s and 70s. It's a entirely different game now.
Thorpe is Mosconi Cup level. Several no names finished higher than Thorpe at DCC 9 ball. Winning the event is nearly impossible but knocking off a high level player in 9 ball is very possible.oh, I've knocked off a champ or two, but now the current crop is almost impossible to get passed
As someone who's played and followed tennis for 50 years, I can tell you this just isn't so. You think she could beat the John McEnroe of 1975?McEnroe was comparing Serena to today's men. Not the men that played in the 60s and 70s. I'm tellen' ya, if Serena played (with her modern racket) on the men's tour in the 60's, she would be ranked #1.
I said the 60s.
I do agree she wouldn't fare well in the 70s. Today, even a Serena in her prime, couldn't compete with men...even at the college level.
When I was a teen, an old-timer from my poolroom used to always tell me "the fact that you don't understand how much could go wrong with your shot selection is a tremendous advantage to you". I think he was trying to say I was free stroking out of ignorance.Age is experience, sometime experience is not advantage.
letting serena use her modern racquet is like allowing someone to bring their machine gun to fist fightI said the 60s.
Here's the top 10 from the 60s. Go watch some YouTube videos of their games and then tell me Serena (in her prime, with a modern racket) couldn't dominate them. Her serve is faster, groundstrokes harder, she's fitter / moves better, and she has a more multidimensional / sophisticated game than the men of the 1960s. There's gotta be some nerd that could generate a computer simulation for us to watch.
Roy Emerson 2 Rod Laver 3 Manuel Santana 4 Fred Stolle 5 John Newcombe 6 Neale Fraser 7 Ken Rosewall 8 Tony Roche 9 Arthur Ashe 10 Nicola Pietrangeli
Agreed. The conversation started though by comparing players from different eras. Today's pool players greatly benefit from sophisticated instructional videos and vastly better equipment. In the old days, you learned how to play pool by "paying your dues". In other words, playing better players and closely watching what they do (while losing lots of games & money).letting serena use her modern racquet is like allowing someone to bring their machine gun to fist fight
its not a fair comparison
I know what you mean about the inevitable slide into the category "he used to be good".. Danny has a point about the dog in players, there is a lot less than it used to be. Nobody ever chokes against me now, they all turn into Jonny Archer.I think, a decade or two ago, I always felt I had a chance against the big dogs when playing my best shortstop quality game -- maybe not to win but to be semi-competitive and win a couple of games.
But now, the ball striking by so many of the players has become so good I wonder if your slightly better than average guy has any chance whatsoever against many of the guys out there nowadays. I recall an Accu-Stats tape (yes, tape) during which Danny Dilberto laments: in the old days the young guys would dog it against a better player. They don't dog it anymore.
Incredible that a player of Toby Sweet's caliber missed that easy 7 ball on the hill.Steve Mizerak had one for a while in the mid '90s. Maybe because the old guard couldn't expose themselves to every player and learn from them they seemed to have a different style.
These guys both play soooo smooooth. They play such natural position, it the cue ball just rolls into the next shot. Perfect speed and distance. Their routes are so well planned that there might be a half dozen shots that the average bar banger couldn't pull off if they could nail the right speed. I know there's more to it than that but there aren't many shots that seem to defy physics.
Yeah, no worries. For reference, the better Oberliga players are generally in the 650+ Fargorate range, and I realize they are not really comparable to competing against international monsters. We have a few 700s sprinkled in amongst just the Hessen state players. A few 750-ish players pop up from time to time to fill in for missing players. And depending on what game comes up in your league matches, there are a few specialists.. Heck, I had a Verbandsliga player (one level down from the highest amateur level..) run 80 and out on me in straight pool in his home hall in a league match.Today's top players are straighter shooters for sure but...
We are now comparing International fields versus primarily US fields of the past. Russ sort of points out what a more localized pool world looks like, and that's no slight to Germany as they have a lot of great players.
One benefit of a healthier professional scene, would be -- the world's best players wouldn't have to travel the world to compete for a 10-20 thousand dollar first prize. Then maybe there would be more opportunities for US players to rise through the ranks. What are they really to do now? How long can someone like Tyler Styer stick with pool, when he has to compete with +800 rated players just to win a paycheck large enough to feed himself? Don't get me wrong, I love seeing the world's greatest players stateside, it's just there's not much left for the up and comers. The smart ones end up sticking in the amateur ranks and give up their big dreams.