Have a Few Countries Caught The Pinoy's?

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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IMO China, Tawain, Japan, and Korea have pulled ahead of the rest of the world in womens pool. I also think that the men of those same countries might have caught up with the Pinoy's. It's got to be very close. Call me crazy, but I think one reason is they train and play on smaller pockets than the Pinoy's. Johnnyt
 
What do you mean by caught up to and pulled ahead? For the last 20 years the Taiwanese and Japanese and Europeans have all been fielding tough players who go deep in events.

What I do think is that the rest of the world is less scared of playing the Filipinos since so many events have been held there in the past five years. They are getting lots of experience finding out that the Filipinos put the pants on just like the rest of us and are beatable. And also there aren't thousands of world beaters there. Dozens yes but not every kid with a cue on every street corner is a ball under Efren.

Also I think that the Filipinos might feel a little more pressure in front of their home crowds. There they are treated like superstars and expected to dominate. When they play in the USA they are feared but they don't have the same level of performance pressure. I guess.

I don't think that the pockets make a difference. The Filipinos simply have a different style of playing that makes use of the whole pocket and as such they can be much more creative. Sometimes that looser style works against them but other times it allows them to run out where normally a run out isn't there.

Taiwanese and Chinese tend to be more robotic and disciplined in their approach, more precise and less touchy-feely with the balls.

Huidji See is Dutch. He is Asian by race but Dutch by birth. He is as Dutch as Niels Feijen and any pool success he has should be credited to the Dutch federation and his pool experience there and not China.

The Chinese however are definitely there. Fu Jian Bo and about four other Chinese players are all world class and don't have to lose anything to anybody. They don't necessarily train on tighter pockets but I did see Fu Jian Bo working out on a pretty tight table once and after about 3-4 minutes of rattling balls he started running out like water on that table. The Chinese do subscribe to the million balls method though. They will stay on a single shot for hours if they have to. And they train their form until it's textbook perfect.
 
Are you telling me the Chinese, Japanese, Korean's, and players from Tawain don't use CTE? Unbelievable. Someone needs to send then the dvd. It will cut that million balls down to 1000's in a few weeks. It blows my mind how good they could be using CTE. What the hell is the matter with thier coaches? Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Are you telling me the Chinese, Japanese, Korean's, and players from Tawain don't use CTE? Unbelievable. Someone needs to send then the dvd. It will cut that million balls down to 1000's in a few weeks. It blows my mind how good they could be using CTE. What the hell is the matter with thier coaches? Johnnyt
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If you want to know the answer to this then email me. I can only tell you that SOME of the coaches you think you know about are fully aware of all the various methods to aim and they endorse all of them as valid.

And why do you have to be an ___________?
 
JB Cases said:
And why do you have to be an ___________?
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Because he doesn't get it. Like most people on here they ASSume CTE is meant to be a fix all/insta-champ pill.

Things CTE doesn't help:
-postion
-kicking
-safeties
-kick safe
-postion routes
-cueball control
-speed control
-not getting snookered every other shot
-your bad stroke
-your bad stroke under pressure
-knowledge
-actually putting the ball in the hole
-stance
-bridge
-eye patterns
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BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Things CTE does help:
-getting yourself in the right position to possibly pocket the ball if stroke the ball correctly.

I'm not sure why some people seem to not understand this concept, but they just don't. If you already pocket 99% of the balls you shoot... CTE means nothing.
 
cleary said:
Because he doesn't get it. Like most people on here they ASSume CTE is meant to be a fix all/insta-champ pill.

Things CTE doesn't help:
-postion
-kicking
-safeties
-kick safe
-postion routes
-cueball control
-speed control
-not getting snookered every other shot
-your bad stroke
-your bad stroke under pressure
-knowledge
-actually putting the ball in the hole
-stance
-bridge
-eye patterns
-
-
-
-
-
-
BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Things CTE does help:
-getting yourself in the right position to possibly pocket the ball if stroke the ball correctly.

I'm not sure why some people seem to not understand this concept, but they just don't. If you already pocket 99% of the balls you shoot... CTE means nothing.
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I have to agree with all the above here except i'm one of the one's that HAS hit a million balls and I do get it. Johnnyt
 
JB Cases said:
If you want to know the answer to this then email me. I can only tell you that SOME of the coaches you think you know about are fully aware of all the various methods to aim and they endorse all of them as valid.

And why do you have to be an ___________?
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John,

Rumor control...Are some of these coaches state sponsored?

Best,
Mike
 
JB Cases said:
Some are and some aren't.
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I got some info from a player that the Chinese government has a program in place like an Olympic style training regimen. Long practice sessions and lots of personal instruction are helping to move the Chinese, among others, into the forefront.

I'd rather think this is true than my region's sad lack of interest for the game overall. Efren and Busty gave a free exhibition to the tune of 12,000 + spectators in the PI. If they played here, I wonder how many would attend? I'm just being passive, aggressive again. :poke:


Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
I got some info from a player that the Chinese government has a program in place like an Olympic style training regimen. Long practice sessions and lots of personal instruction are helping to move the Chinese, among others, into the forefront.

I'd rather think this is true than my region's sad lack of interest for the game overall. Efren and Busty gave a free exhibition to the tune of 12,000 + spectators in the PI. If they played here, I wonder how many would attend? I'm just being passive, aggressive again. :poke:


Best,
Mike
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What they have is government funded training facilities with coaches who are paid by the government as well as the coaches having specific relationships with specific players. The players who are state sponsored have to train a certain way and maintain rank in order to get their tournaments paid for. A lot of players in China are not state sponsored and they are on their own for training and travel. Often those players have contracts with coaches that allows the coach to get a percentage of the prize monies. For that though the coach is there for them all the time and travels to most events with them.

In the USA we jsut have to accept that pool is a tiny niche sport among hundreds of activities and other things vying for our attention. As a spectator sport it's boring as hell. You have to understand that in places like the Philipines and Taiwan pool can appear to be bigger because the countries are smaller and they don't excel in much else athletically. So they take anything they do excel at and magnify it. And I am referring to the press here.

In China the government is all over ANY type of success on the international stage. They will back anyone who brings glory to China through world class victories over international fields. BUT pool is actually not as "big" as people think it is here, expressed as knowledge of the best players. The only real players the average person on the street would know right off the bat are Ding Jun Hui from Snooker, Pan Xiao Ting in pool and Ronnie O' Sullivan maybe because he has been interviewed a lot and had an advertising campaign with a famous Chinese clothing brand.
 
Some of the American and British players are picking up Chinese sponsors. Methinks they're passing the Pinoys.

Best,
Mike
 
Scaramouche said:
Just to give you some idea about China's determination to control the (billiard) world.:D

And this is just one kid

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=snooker+dong+dong&aq=f
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Scaramouche you surprise me, you know there are scores of kids in the UK that play beyond that level and even younger

China's billion plus population has produced one shot at snooker glory, Ding, and it's a long one

Canada produced our world champion decades ago and at that time probably had more kids that outplayed the kid on the youtube video with 2% of the chinese population, lol

As far as the Pinoys, love em, lots of fun to watch, among the best in the world but I've never seen anything to suggest they are light years above everyone else like some people think

they need a Mosconi cup team
 
Actually pool is a good social experiment to see which option produces the best players.

America has the "on your own" style of training players. Generally the thought is that players get seasoned through action.

Europe has the on your own style but with some formal training and some small government support.

The Philippines is firmly rooted in the horse stables mentality where players are in camps and they jostle for position through constant gambling to maintain the pecking order.

Taiwan has a a good coaching support system with limited government help and a strong association. They have a regular series of tournaments to determine rank.

And China is now on the scene with increasingly strong government support for the players.

So it should be interesting to see what the next five years bring and which country has won the most titles.
 
JB Cases said:
Actually pool is a good social experiment to see which option produces the best players.

America has the "on your own" style of training players. Generally the thought is that players get seasoned through action.

Europe has the on your own style but with some formal training and some small government support.

The Philippines is firmly rooted in the horse stables mentality where players are in camps and they jostle for position through constant gambling to maintain the pecking order.

Taiwan has a a good coaching support system with limited government help and a strong association. They have a regular series of tournaments to determine rank.

And China is now on the scene with increasingly strong government support for the players.

So it should be interesting to see what the next five years bring and which country has won the most titles.
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Don't stop now. How do they do it in China? What age do they start teaching and how do they decide who gets the instruction? School testing?

Maybe we can learn something. They've been trying to get our secrets. Now it's our turn. :grin-square:

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
Don't stop now. How do they do it in China? What age do they start teaching and how do they decide who gets the instruction? School testing?

Maybe we can learn something. They've been trying to get our secrets. Now it's our turn. :grin-square:

Best,
Mike
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Well this is what my wife said about her experience in grade school. She said that "they" came to the school looking for kids to become divers. So the whole class had to go out and run and do certain exercises to determine who they would take. My wife said that she put a rock in one of her shoes so that she would not be able to run well and it worked. She wasn't picked to go off to diving school.

My wife did however end up in a special school for the arts where children who were good at dancing, acting, singing and playing instruments were sent. She became a ballet dancer and eventually an instructor.

As for pool I really have no idea how they would pick kids for that. Si Ming Chen said she has playing since she was 8. I doubt that ten years ago anyone was combing the schools looking for 8 year olds with aptitude that might be good for pool. Maybe now they are doing that in some places. I don't know.

Next time I take a lesson here I will ask my coach to explain the structure in Taiwan and China as he knows it.
 
Next time I take a lesson here I will ask my coach to explain the structure in Taiwan and China as he knows it.[/QUOTE said:
This would make for a very interesting story.
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