High End Laminated Shaft Comparisons

CrownCityCorey

CrownCityCorey

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Ok, here is what went down; I pocketed this shot 14x each with:

"A" is 3.9 oz, 30", Tiger "X" Shaft & Sniper Tip 12.96mm (Dime) and "B" is a 3.5oz, 30" 314-2 & Sniper 12.70mm (Dime). Both shafts were used on the same cue a Tiger TSP-P (Radial Pin).

More specifics:

Table - Brunswick Gold Crown I
Pockets - 4 1/2" flared and shimmed
Cloth - Simonis 860
Balls - Brunswick Centennials w/measle cue ball.

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Results: 14 balls pocketed for 16 shots. Great spin effect not far from cue ball center.

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Results: 14 balls pocketed for 23 shots. Less spin affect and an extreme edge of the cue ball.

What does all this mean? I dunno. Just something to do.

So far, I only have a 314-2 and a Tiger "X" Shaft.
 
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Corey

Could you please post the cuetable layouts as JPEGS please. I am unable to look at the cuetable but am interested in seeing your test with results.
 
Ok, here's another one. Same set up as before. New twist though, I found each shaft has its own optimal way to play position.

Check em out:

Results 14 of 19 and lots o juicy spin.

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Results 14 of 16 (!) and had to play position a different way as I could not get that much juice on the pill.

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The way I used the 314-2 for position is probably best way overall; however playing below the side pocket with the 314-2 is incredibly high risk (that side pocket is gigantic at this angle), where with the "X" Shaft I did not find it to be risky at all.
 
frankncali said:
Corey

Could you please post the cuetable layouts as JPEGS please. I am unable to look at the cuetable but am interested in seeing your test with results.
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Can some one help out my man "Alabama"?
 
are you sure your showing us the correct layout of the balls??? if you set the shots up pretty much exactly the way you show, cue on the spot and 1 just off the rail next to the first diamond i think your ball paths you show in your diagrams are either EXTREMELY difficult, which means you wouldn't shoot them that way for fear of missing the ball, or like the second one close to impossible to achieve. you must not be showing us the "real" ball positions on the CueTable diagrams. as far as the comparisons of the shafts, i don't use laminated shafts. just real good normal ones. :)
 
From what I can deduce, you're trying to tell us that Tiger-X requires less english, but can create more spin.

PS - I'll be posting the JPG files soon.
 
Posted in the order that Cory did it.

Table 1:
Tiger001.jpg


Table 2:
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Table 3:
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Table 4:
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CrownCityCorey said:
Ok, here is what went down; I pocketed this shot 14x each with:

"A" is 3.9 oz, 30", Tiger "X" Shaft & Sniper Tip 12.96mm (Dime) and "B" is a 3.5oz, 30" 314-2 & Sniper 12.70mm (Dime). Both shafts were used on the same cue a Tiger TSP-P (Radial Pin).

More specifics:

Table - Brunswick Gold Crown I
Pockets - 4 1/2" flared and shimmed
Cloth - Simonis 860
Balls - Brunswick Centennials w/measle cue ball.

CueTable Help



Results: 14 balls pocketed for 16 shots. Great spin effect not far from cue ball center.

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Results: 14 balls pocketed for 23 shots. Less spin affect and an extreme edge of the cue ball.

What does all this mean? I dunno. Just something to do.

So far, I only have a 314-2 and a Tiger "X" Shaft.
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I mean no disrespect when I say this, nor am I a knocker-- but aren't you sponsored by Tiger? Seems like a commercial. Hard to believe that the X vs 314 would give you THAT much differentiation between makes, misses and position.
 
Thanks Blowfish for the JPEGs. I gonna figure out why I cant see
the Cuetable one day.

Thanks for the shots Corey.

I am going to be at Stix tomorrow and I will try and few with my new OB-1 and my P 314. I have to say that my first thought is that the OB1 will get better results. I know since getting the OB1 I have gotten more english with less effort than ever before.

Not sure that it matters but the shafts will be on an Ariel Carmeli butt. I know when I went from my Its George cue to the Carmeli I seemed to gain much better feel and seemed to get a quicker reaction off the object ball.
 
skins said:
are you sure your showing us the correct layout of the balls??? if you set the shots up pretty much exactly the way you show, cue on the spot and 1 just off the rail next to the first diamond i think your ball paths you show in your diagrams are either EXTREMELY difficult, which means you wouldn't shoot them that way for fear of missing the ball, or like the second one close to impossible to achieve. you must not be showing us the "real" ball positions on the CueTable diagrams. as far as the comparisons of the shafts, i don't use laminated shafts. just real good normal ones. :)
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Yes, that is the actual ball layout. No one said it was easy. :) LOL!

These types of shots do require a well developed stroke, and I would and do shoot these shots in competition. If the shot comes up, this is what I'd do with em.

With this angle being as thin of a cut as it is, getting the snot on whitey requires a slow spin/big stroke type of hit. Not so much on the inside english 3 railer, but the low right one for sure.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I mean no disrespect when I say this, nor am I a knocker-- but aren't you sponsored by Tiger? Seems like a commercial. Hard to believe that the X vs 314 would give you THAT much differentiation between makes, misses and position.
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Not a commercial, but just sharing information. The top laminated shafts out there are very high quality and precision instruments; however they have their own characteristics and acheive different results. Just showing the differences.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Not a commercial, but just sharing information. The top laminated shafts out there are very high quality and precision instruments; however they have their own characteristics and acheive different results. Just showing the differences.
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I'm not saying this to start an arguement or anything.. I'm just curious.
If the results were reversed..would you of even posted this message?

I played with a predator for about a year or so.. I decided to try a x-shaft.. after about 5 days.. I returned the x-shaft and went back to my 314. I'm not knocking tiger.. just diffrent strokes for diffrent folks..

BTW.. I dont shoot much pool anymore.. Mostly 3 cushion. I heard that some billiard players are using the x-shaft. is this true? 314 shafts are no good for 3 cushion. I own a billiard cue.. but would like the radial consistency of a laminated shaft.
 
seven said:
I'm not saying this to start an arguement or anything.. I'm just curious.
If the results were reversed..would you of even posted this message?

I played with a predator for about a year or so.. I decided to try a x-shaft.. after about 5 days.. I returned the x-shaft and went back to my 314. I'm not knocking tiger.. just diffrent strokes for diffrent folks..

BTW.. I dont shoot much pool anymore.. Mostly 3 cushion. I heard that some billiard players are using the x-shaft. is this true? 314 shafts are no good for 3 cushion. I own a billiard cue.. but would like the radial consistency of a laminated shaft.
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Yeah, Mazin Shooni is using X-shafts on his Kilby Custom Billiard Cue. I have heard of some others.

Funny, I did not post for or against either shaft. Making 14 straight with the 314-2 I thought was really good. People see what they want to see I guess.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I mean no disrespect when I say this, nor am I a knocker-- but aren't you sponsored by Tiger? Seems like a commercial. Hard to believe that the X vs 314 would give you THAT much differentiation between makes, misses and position.
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This is just a comparison. I would like to point out that the differences may seem large but in reality it is amplified by two things; 1) Corey has a very productive stroke. I have a hard time matching him on some of these shots with the same equipment. I wouldn't believe it myself except we stood there and I watched him shoot shots I wouldn't have considered possible, and 2) his playing balls are old and nicked up. They look like someone pulled them from a dumpster behind the pool room. :o The differences might be amplified by the older balls, which promote more spin throw compared to newer balls.

Also, he is not used to using a Predator. Hs playing shaft is a Tiger, which he switched to well before he worked for them. He did at one time use a Predator but his game deteriorated and switched to Tiger. Not everybody benefits from hollow ended shafts.

By the way, my experience is the new line of Tiger X shafts is pretty low squirt for a shaft that is not hollow. They feel like a conventional shaft but I can screw one on and play with it making only minor aim adjustments compared to my 314-2.

Chris
 
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TATE said:
This is just a comparison. I would like to point out that the differences may seem large but in reality it is amplified by two things; 1) Corey has a very productive stroke. I have a hard time matching him on some of these shots with the same equipment. I wouldn't believe it myself except we stood there and I watched him shoot shots I wouldn't have considered possible, and 2) his playing balls are old and nicked up. They look like someone pulled them from a dumpster behind the pool room. :o The differences might be amplified by the older balls, which promote more spin throw compared to newer balls.

Chris
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Are you saying I need a new set of Centennials? LOL!

They are actually only 5 or 6 years old, but they do have miles on em :D .
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Are you saying I need a new set of Centennials? LOL!

They are actually only 5 or 6 years old, but they do have miles on em :D .
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Let's put it this way. I know what to get you for your birthday!

Chris
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Yes, that is the actual ball layout. No one said it was easy. :) LOL!

These types of shots do require a well developed stroke, and I would and do shoot these shots in competition. If the shot comes up, this is what I'd do with em.

With this angle being as thin of a cut as it is, getting the snot on whitey requires a slow spin/big stroke type of hit. Not so much on the inside english 3 railer, but the low right one for sure.
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for the second shot if i pull the 1 a bit shy of an inch off the rail the shots fairly easy for me but if i put the 1 only 1/4 inch off the rail as i assumed the setup was, the side pocket just plays too much of a factor in that shot. at least on my triple shimmed GCIII/860. anyway i think the maximum application of english has more to do with the type tip, quality of your stroke, as well as learning how to stroke with each particular type shaft to maximize it's performance rather than the shaft construction itself. it's all in the stroke imo.

skins ----------- thinks he has a very well "developed" stroke :)
 
skins said:
for the second shot if i pull the 1 a bit shy of an inch off the rail the shots fairly easy for me but if i put the 1 only 1/4 inch off the rail as i assumed the setup was, the side pocket just plays too much of a factor in that shot. at least on my triple shimmed GCIII/860. anyway i think the maximum application of english has more to do with the type tip, quality of your stroke, as well as learning how to stroke with each particular type shaft to maximize it's performance rather than the shaft construction itself. it's all in the stroke imo.

skins ----------- thinks he has a very well "developed" stroke :)
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I just went and measured it, the 1-ball was 8.09mm (0.318-5") from the rail at the center of the ball. Just a hair over 1/4".
 
CrownCityCorey said:
I just went and measured it, the 1-ball was 8.09mm (0.318-5") from the rail at the center of the ball. Just a hair over 1/4".
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oh well, i guess if we ever meet we'll have something to "chew the fat" about and you can show me that shot. take care. :)
 
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