How Common is Hill-Hill, let's re-flip?
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I guess if you're playing a race to 2, hill hill happens all the time. The shorter the race, the more common it is.
If you're playing a long enough race, this shouldn't be necessary. If this is a problem, you probably should play race to whatever, 2 ahead if you can't handle hill hill.
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Back it and Jack it !
Yea, happens here a lot. Always double the bet.
Yea, happens here a lot. Always double the bet.
thats just gambling brother
if you've never heard of backing and jacking it then you are incognito and must not get out in the pool world much......sometimes its the best move in the world when your gambling.....
how would you like to bet 2k on a race to 10 in 9 ball on the bar box......set goes hill hill and you break the 9 sits on the ledge of the pocket, the one stays next to it, and the CB gets a bad kiss off the 5 and scratches!!!!!
your opponent doesn't want things like that either....imop most of the time this is done in rotation games to negate the "shit-out" factor......
especially if the two players have been BATTLING their butts off...no one wants to lose a match like that for the money b/c of bad luck or whatever you want to call it.
if you've never heard of backing and jacking it then you are incognito and must not get out in the pool world much......sometimes its the best move in the world when your gambling.....
how would you like to bet 2k on a race to 10 in 9 ball on the bar box......set goes hill hill and you break the 9 sits on the ledge of the pocket, the one stays next to it, and the CB gets a bad kiss off the 5 and scratches!!!!!
your opponent doesn't want things like that either....imop most of the time this is done in rotation games to negate the "shit-out" factor......
especially if the two players have been BATTLING their butts off...no one wants to lose a match like that for the money b/c of bad luck or whatever you want to call it.
Actually, back it up & double it shows MORE gamble, not less.
Think of the possible outcomes for the two sets when it's played out:
Bob beats Joe, then Joe beats Bob
Bob beats Joe, then Bob beats Joe
Joe beats Bob, then Joe beats Bob
Joe beats Bob, then Bob beats Joe
In two of these situations (about half the time) they are even after two sets. The other half the time one or the other is up two sets.
Backing it up and doubling it retains only the latter possibilities: somebody is definitely going to be up two sets worth...
When you dash for the cash I feel like hill hill is the perfect time to do one of several things.
If you have the best of it, flip it and double the bet.
If you have the worst of it, play 1 game and get the cash, don't let your ego make you lose twice as much.
If it's too close and it's getting late and you don't want to get last set sally'd, you can quit even and agree to play more the next day or whatever.
NO ONE LIKES TO LOSE THE DOUGH ON ONE GAME!
If you have the best of it, flip it and double the bet.
If you have the worst of it, play 1 game and get the cash, don't let your ego make you lose twice as much.
If it's too close and it's getting late and you don't want to get last set sally'd, you can quit even and agree to play more the next day or whatever.
NO ONE LIKES TO LOSE THE DOUGH ON ONE GAME!
I've gambled quite successfully, in pool and poker.
If it's a race to 10 and this happens, tough. Sometimes you get unlucky when you gamble. If you can't handle bad beats, you shouldn't be gambling. Just like in poker. One possible solution to this problem would be to play a race to 10, 2 ahead.
its not about "handling" your emotions...its about managing your bankroll so you walk out with theirs...
like was said above in another post, its usually the weaker player that chomping at the bit, the banger wants to play it out b/c he's luckily breaking...and if anyones going to sh*t out then its gonna be him lmao...
typical card player logic do you have...your stuck with the luck of the draw, and the luck makes you...in pool you make the luck, letting the luck make you gets you busted
butt being the "experienced" gambler you are one would figure you would know that, much less "backing and jacking" the bet thats so common even the 5th graders know it.
Winning by two is a good option like you said....BUT I would (and many others also) prefer to PRESS the bet and put more pressure on my opponent.
I've played many sets low at $200-500 went hill-hill to 9 or 10, backed it and jacked it to $500 or $1000 and won the next set 9-3 or something crazy. Just like some can't hold their liquor, and some can't hold their weed, some can't hold their bread when a cue stick is involved and their hands are sweating.
pool and card "gambling" are not the same thing by a long shot
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At least now I know what it's called:
Back it and Jack it!
I can see the advantages of racing again and doubling the bet - at least someone walks away a winner instead of a possible break even on a new set.
Chris
For this reason is why I didn't like to play races. I would rather throw in all I've got and play an ahead set. This way you never have to fade hill-hill. The problem with this is that you may only get one set out of them because the better player will usually win and it's hard to hide that fact with an ahead set.
But when I played a race and it went to hill hill, start over and bet more, even if I was breaking this was the way to go. Who wants to chance it all on a bit of luck.
But when I played a race and it went to hill hill, start over and bet more, even if I was breaking this was the way to go. Who wants to chance it all on a bit of luck.
Usually this is called "Back it and Jack it". Move the coint to zero again and double the bet. The better player wants to do this to win double the money.:thumbup:
start over and double the bet? if the answer is no then you play the last game. the guy breaking should be the one to ask.
seems to be more common than i thought !
i always like to play win by 2 so it's gonna take more than 1 bad thing to happen. hate to get clobbered with one on the snap, a quick combo, or mostly the cheese finding a hole by mistake !!!
I have seen it happen plenty of times and have done it myself, I just ask to "Flip it and double it?" :thumbup:
everyone always assumes they'll lose case game. i like to stay positive and figure i'll win that game
pool is nothing like poker. in pool you have to decide and perform. in poker all you have to do is make a decision and wait. imo theres way more luck in poker than there is in pool.