How to play this shot:

[iusedtoberich]

Pretty sure he meant left, not right....lol.

just busting your balls.:grin:

Ha ha, maybe, but he also said "inside".

PS, I tried the shot some more, going forward 3 rails. This time I used high inside,and low inside. (Previously I had used center inside). All 3 variations got on the 9. I think I liked the center inside and high inside more than the low inside. The low inside seems more conducive to me when playing this shot with a slower speed, where you are not trying to move the CB so much around the table as is required on this shot.

 

[Spimp13]

So I was working on this shot last night and had a lot of difficulty with it. I'd like to hear how others would play this.



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What size table do you play on? Are you the type of player that can make semi difficult shots with English or do you struggle with that and prefer shooting most shots with minimal English?

Probably Not The "Correct" Shot Selection To Some.

But I Found The High Right To Be "My" Highest Percentage..

Thought It Would Be Cool To Make A Small Clip. Tried To Line The Balls Up As Close I Could To The Pic.

-Very Amateur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFmJJA_gTyI&feature=youtu.be

Nice shot, definitely not high percentage to get good shape on the 9 though.
Oh...and put a damn shirt on, aint nobody got time for that!

 

[bad_hit]

snip I know there is a shot like this where it reverses on the second rail (like on Pat Flemings creative edge video), but that did not work for me when I tried it with this particular ball position.
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Yeah, there's also that crazy shot, where the cue ball goes across table and the inside english takes effect on the second rail and spins it back toward the 9...but I used to try that shot but it's too hard to execute unless you're Carlo Biado -> https://www.reddit.com/r/billiards/..._biado_with_an_unbelievable_shot_i_dont_even/

 

[poolhustler]

punch with bottom to zig zag back to the 9 ball below the side pocket

extreme top right to avoid the scratch in the side, 3 or 4 rails.

one pocket shot, cut bank the 8 to the top right pocket with enough speed that if you don't make the 8 ball you leave it in the middle of the top rail.

safety shot, bank the 3 or 4 rails to the middle of the bottom rail by the 9 ball, holding the cue ball at the middle of the upper rail.

 

[pocket]

What size table do you play on? Are you the type of player that can make semi difficult shots with English or do you struggle with that and prefer shooting most shots with minimal English? <snip>

9' table. English typically complicates shots for me, but getting better at it.

I worked on it last night, and a tip low center seemed to give me the best result, percentage wise.

 

[pocket]

punch with bottom to zig zag back to the 9 ball below the side pocket

extreme top right to avoid the scratch in the side, 3 or 4 rails.

one pocket shot, cut bank the 8 to the top right pocket with enough speed that if you don't make the 8 ball you leave it in the middle of the top rail.

safety shot, bank the 3 or 4 rails to the middle of the bottom rail by the 9 ball, holding the cue ball at the middle of the upper rail.

Thanks Russ.

 

[JC]

Based on the angle of the tangent line and rail, I don't think you want to put any draw on the shot. I think center ball is okay, but I personally would hit the CB with a tip of left to ensure I don't inadvertently put a smidge of right, which could be disastrous.

An inadvertent smidge of left is worse than a smidge of right because you can easily hit the opposite rail too low and either run into the 9 ball or end up on the short side. If you accidentally hit a tiny right you will be ok as long as you don't hit so much that you scratch across in the side. That nine ball is easy from anywhere below the center pocket and across the center line of the table away from the nine.

Try this. Wipe your tip with a damp wash cloth and then set up the shot. Anything that's not very close to center will miscue.

This will demonstrate two things. One is that between the tangent line and collision induced spin your shape across two rails will be almost perfect every time. With absolute center ball. And the second thing most people will learn is that it's not as easy to hit center ball as they think. I shoot entire practice sessions with a dry unchalked tip regularly to ensure my stroke is straight and I am hitting the cue ball where I think I am. And to marvel at the incredible power of center ball. The most under appreciated shot in pool.

JC

 

[bad_hit]

I shoot entire practice sessions with a dry unchalked tip regularly to ensure my stroke is straight and I am hitting the cue ball where I think I am. And to marvel at the incredible power of center ball. The most under appreciated shot in pool.

JC

That's pretty strong! :bow-down:

I'm going to start doing that, it's a great idea.

 

[nick serdula]

Ask a player

If I shoot that particular shot with bottom right and snatch the teeth out of it I do not hit a rail.
It is a wet day shot.
Warp speed.
And stroke tester.
If I show it I hear crying then I say o k you do it and I advise everyone behind the shot they might want to move!
Good luck with that by the way.
I can also play it to scratch in my near corner and just lighten it up still not a soft shot. It isn't the shot. Any one can see what to do. It is knowing you shoot straight and adjust on the rock because it is not going where you aim it at all.
It is a firm shot with back spin that you hit hard enough it goes straight all the way to the object ball. The line it travels is not where you are pointing. So practice hitting it the same speed over and over. Don't be hard headed about it See how much the ball moves sideways every time and adjust accordingly.
Or shoot it 1000 miles an hour like I do and force everything to happen.
Nick

 

[iusedtoberich]

If I shoot that particular shot with bottom right and snatch the teeth out of it I do not hit a rail.
It is a wet day shot.
Warp speed.
And stroke tester.
If I show it I hear crying then I say o k you do it and I advise everyone behind the shot they might want to move!
Good luck with that by the way.
I can also play it to scratch in my near corner and just lighten it up still not a soft shot. It isn't the shot. Any one can see what to do. It is knowing you shoot straight and adjust on the rock because it is not going where you aim it at all.
It is a firm shot with back spin that you hit hard enough it goes straight all the way to the object ball. The line it travels is not where you are pointing. So practice hitting it the same speed over and over. Don't be hard headed about it See how much the ball moves sideways every time and adjust accordingly.
Or shoot it 1000 miles an hour like I do and force everything to happen.
Nick

I'm not quite sure I'm following you... are you saying you can draw the CB backwards enough that it will not hit the long rail right next to the OB? If so, I'd bet the house that Corey Deuel could not execute that shot. Yes, I have seen his crazy draw shot with Incardona commentating.

 

[tangent70]

10 oclock,2 rails,9 in corner

X2
Worked on my olhausen

 

[Black-Balled]

For ini, depends on the table.
On a gold crown, I'd hit it with hard left, center height, to zig-zah the table back to that side of the table and on the other side of the side pockets.

On a diamond, I'd likely cinch the ball and shoot the harder shot on the 9, from near the center pocket in the top of the pic.

 

[Black-Balled]

i doubt that. All of it.

If I shoot that particular shot with bottom right and snatch the teeth out of it I do not hit a rail.
It is a wet day shot.
Warp speed.
And stroke tester.
If I show it I hear crying then I say o k you do it and I advise everyone behind the shot they might want to move!
Good luck with that by the way.
I can also play it to scratch in my near corner and just lighten it up still not a soft shot. It isn't the shot. Any one can see what to do. It is knowing you shoot straight and adjust on the rock because it is not going where you aim it at all.
It is a firm shot with back spin that you hit hard enough it goes straight all the way to the object ball. The line it travels is not where you are pointing. So practice hitting it the same speed over and over. Don't be hard headed about it See how much the ball moves sideways every time and adjust accordingly.
Or shoot it 1000 miles an hour like I do and force everything to happen.
Nick

 

[bobalouiecda]

In Defense of Nick

By looking at the fist post picture the angle is not that great. It would take a stroke most do not have but is very possible to draw back without hitting the rail. Nick describes the stroke well. As a young man 50 years ago I would bet on the shot and take on challengers. The ball actually masses slightly creating an even slighter angle with the proper stroke. In the 80s I had a decent stroke but not like I had in the 60s. In the mid 80s I won $1100 in a shot making contest as the only one to execute a very similar shot that appeared impossible. Terry Boucher was one of six in the contest. He had a very good stroke, but was unable to successfully shoot the shot.

 

[PoolBum]

By looking at the fist post picture the angle is not that great. It would take a stroke most do not have but is very possible to draw back without hitting the rail.

I most definitely disagree, from the angle in the OP there is no way to pocket the 8 ball and draw down table without contacting the cushion.

 

[bobalouiecda]

I also disagree

You may not be capable or believe it capable, but you are wrong. Not only have I done it, but would put money on it. When I was young I occasionally shot stroke shots that Earl and Efren would have been proud of. This one is not that difficult if you have a super stroke. The cue ball may seem to defy logic, but it is only mathematics to know the possible angle of return on this as a draw shot.

 

[bobalouiecda]

I am in no way condoning this

as the way to get position on the nine. I am just saying Nick Serdula is correct that it is playable. To draw back to that side rail south of the side pocket is easier and also gives an easy out. Most can not do either so I agree with most, play the high percentage shot. I have seen so many opinions as to how to play the shot. I have seen 10:00, 8:00, 7:30, 4:00, High right, etc. I recommended center ball low as did a couple others.. I guess the only way not to get shape is center and center high.

 

[PoolBum]

You may not be capable or believe it capable, but you are wrong. Not only have I done it, but would put money on it. When I was young I occasionally shot stroke shots that Earl and Efren would have been proud of. This one is not that difficult if you have a super stroke. The cue ball may seem to defy logic, but it is only mathematics to know the possible angle of return on this as a draw shot.

Well, if you can set that shot up so that we agree on the position of the balls, and pocket the 8 ball while drawing down to the end rail and not touching the side cushion, you can win some money from me.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Well, if you can set that shot up so that we agree on the position of the balls, and pocket the 8 ball while drawing down to the end rail and not touching the side cushion, you can win some money from me.

I have redrawn the shot below with everything closer than half a ball to the original diagram and drawn in the no-cushion option. Is this what we're talking about here?

 

[Bob Jewett]

Looking at it with the new diagram, I think I would just play the left draw shot and go one cushion off the side cushion, but it needs good equipment.