I Know What This Cue Is - Do You?

Type79

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This thread is possible because many are unfamiliar with the many other Balabushka designs beyond the oft repeated "Bushka Style" used on cues that focus on one solitary Balabushka design.
 

pookster

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You could easily lose $100.

Palmer standard joint pin was 5/16 X 18, not 5/16 by 14. Also goes for Paradise. Balabushka, for example, standard pin is as stated by the OP. The buttplate design is not typical Palmer. And most of their examples which had real Cortland linen, which this appears to be, was in their first catalog era. In that era, Palmer did not generally use delrin buttplates, or make them quite as long as the one shown. They used implex in that era. Also in that era, they didn't use bumpers. A bit hard to tell, but this one appears to have a bumper of some kind.

Of course, there are exceptions to everything. Custom order of some kind? Sure.

All the best,
WW
That's why I do sport betting.....merry Christmas
 
Had the pleasure of hitting a couple of racks with this old stick this past Thursday. Hit's really solid! :thumbup:

It has a 5/16 14 ss joint.

Any thoughts on what it is?

Will be interested in trying to establish an approx value after revealing what it is.

best,
brian kc

Viking, or Palmer? I do not know. Nice cue.
 

Chopdoc

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Bushka. Knurled rings look right.

Window cracked or is that a reflection?

Is the bumper missing? Let me know if you need a Brunswick KU bumper. I might be able to help.

Edit: just read the thread and saw the cat is out of the bag.

Nice cue. I would get the window fixed. That's damage, not wear.

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pdcue

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You could easily lose $100.

Palmer standard joint pin was 5/16 X 18, not 5/16 by 14. Also goes for Paradise. Balabushka, for example, standard pin is as stated by the OP. The buttplate design is not typical Palmer. And most of their examples which had real Cortland linen, which this appears to be, was in their first catalog era. In that era, Palmer did not generally use delrin buttplates, or make them quite as long as the one shown. They used implex in that era. Also in that era, they didn't use bumpers. A bit hard to tell, but this one appears to have a bumper of some kind.

Of course, there are exceptions to everything. Custom order of some kind? Sure.

All the best,
WW

Good points WW - but... Frank also used a 5/16 - 14, I presume due to the influence of Rambow.

And FWIW - it was Paradise who "invented" the clear window, and the foil identification.

Dale(who feels Paradise doesn't get enough recognition for "stylin")
 
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WildWing

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That's why I do sport betting.....merry Christmas

It's also why I didn't take your bet. It would have been too easy, candy from a baby, not that you are one.

Actually the first giveaway was a mystery cue contest. Nobody puts a similar Palmer up on those.

Class dismissed.

All the best,
WW
 

WildWing

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Nice cue. I would get the window fixed. That's damage, not wear.

Totally agree, window should get fixed. I'm sure there will be some recalcitrant puritans who will say keep it original. But, they are wrong, though entitled to their opinions.

Fix that window. That will show the cue in it's best light.

All the best,
WW
 

boradriver

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I personally would leave the butt the way it is. It is damaged but it is also the piece Bushka putt on the cue. To me that means more even being cracked. If the owner is to putt it up forsale they could offer it as is or with a new butt installed by Tasc. The buyer could have their choice or atleast know what it would cost to have it replaced.

As far as value I won't really make a guess. To me a cue like that is really worth more than you will ever get for it, if that makes sense. So I think the number is just what the owner is willing to take to not have it in their hands anymore.

When cues like this with its heritage come up from time to time you tend to see people with dollar signs in there eyes. I personally have seen many people get upset when they get offers on their cues because so and so told me it is worth $20k. Well did that person offer to buy it at $20k? The cue is worth what someone is willing to pay just like anything. Just because someone told you its worth a certain number doesn't mean you will get that number. You could even get more but most likely it will be less.

Sorry for the rant just have had a person torture me with a Bushka for years now that they keep saying they want to sell but are still stuck on the original appraisal they got years ago.
 

Type79

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Cue sales may wane, but the list of "experts" will always be on the rise.
 
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Cornerman

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Might as well throw in something completely different :)

Since you aren't showing the joint or the bumper, I'll go with Ray Schuler.

Freddie <~~~ looks like a Palmer

{edit: and I had every chance to cheat, and still got it wrong!!! Yay, me!}
 

WildWing

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Cue sales may wane, but the list of "experts" will always be on the rise.

Would respectfully disagree. If this thread is an indicator, there were only a few of us who thought Balabushka. I haven't seen a rise in experts in recent times.

All the best,
WW
 

Type79

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If this thread is an indicator, there were only a few of us who thought Balabushka. I haven't seen a rise in experts in recent times.

Some days I observe so much misinformation it is astounding.
 

kntbeach

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I would guess Bushka also, but a Palmer can have micarta ferrules as my J has micarta on both shafts, original.
 

Cornerman

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Would respectfully disagree. If this thread is an indicator, there were only a few of us who thought Balabushka. I haven't seen a rise in experts in recent times.

All the best,
WW

When it comes to Balabushkas, I only have two experts in mind, and a couple of knowledgeable others with honorable mention. The two experts have the same last name.

None of these people whom I consider experts are regulars on AZ. And none of the AZ regulars are close (as much as I respect you all).

Freddie <~~~ the least knowledgeable of anyone
 

WildWing

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When it comes to Balabushkas, I only have two experts in mind, and a couple of knowledgeable others with honorable mention. The two experts have the same last name.

None of these people whom I consider experts are regulars on AZ. And none of the AZ regulars are close (as much as I respect you all).

Freddie <~~~ the least knowledgeable of anyone

I understand, the Glenn's, or the Tascarella's.

But, given your statement, you don't consider Skins (Tim) and Classiccues (Joe) to be experts on Balabushka cues?

I think you might want to rethink that.

All the best,
WW
 

flyvirginiaguy

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I understand, the Glenn's, or the Tascarella's.

But, given your statement, you don't consider Skins (Tim) and Classiccues (Joe) to be experts on Balabushka cues?

I think you might want to rethink that.

All the best,
WW

Bill Schick, Paul Rubino, quite many people know a tremendous amount about George's cues. It is not rocket science, if you know the things to look for and have handled/slightly dissected many of them. George stuck to/used certain things quite a bit.
 

Cornerman

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I understand, the Glenn's, or the Tascarella's.

But, given your statement, you don't consider Skins (Tim) and Classiccues (Joe) to be experts on Balabushka cues?

I think you might want to rethink that.

All the best,
WW

I consider Joe (and others) very knowledgeable about Balabushkas and am very respectful of Joe's knowledge, considering he is partners with a very knowledgeable Balabushka collector (who was collecting before collecting Balabushkas were in vogue). But, I would think Joe would also say that the Tascarellas are THE experts and he would defer to Pete's opinion.

Freddie
 
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