I'm on this FOUL !!! thing-

[3RAILKICK]

BTW I've searched the forums and do not find the question/answer. Based on the results of that search I would like to direct the question to Robert Jewett, Jay and anybody else who KNOWS. SITUATION: Opponent in 9B is left with a shot where the cueball may/or not pass an intervening ball on the way to a good hit on maybe a 1/16 of an inch available on the next required ball in sequence. It's too difficult to see whether the CB can make it thru. So- he lays cue on table as a straight edge to see if the path is open. He leaves the cue on table and sights down the path from both directions. Shoots and makes good hit. FOUL?????

3RAILKICK/Bill

 

[BRKNRUN]

BTW I've searched the forums and do not find the question/answer. Based on the results of that search I would like to direct the question to Robert Jewett, Jay and anybody else who KNOWS. SITUATION: Opponent in 9B is left with a shot where the cueball may/or not pass an intervening ball on the way to a good hit on maybe a 1/16 of an inch available on the next required ball in sequence. It's too difficult to see whether the CB can make it thru. So- he lays cue on table as a straight edge to see if the path is open. He leaves the cue on table and sights down the path from both directions. Shoots and makes good hit. FOUL?????

3RAILKICK/Bill

Did he let go of the cue, or did he hold on to it?

If he held on to the cue...it is NOT a foul.

If he lays the cue on the table and lets go of it..I believe it is foul.

 

[3RAILKICK]

Did he let go of the cue, or did he hold on to it?

If he held on to the cue...it is NOT a foul.

If he lays the cue on the table and lets go of it..I believe it is foul.

He let go of the cuestick while he sighted the cue ball path down the cue on the table frome both ends of the shot -from CBto OB/ from OB to CB. About a 7 foot shot- a good shot. Just rolled the CB accurately - he didn't jump it or bend it- it was realllllll close to hitting the ball in the way.

 

[Pushout]

Did he let go of the cue, or did he hold on to it?

If he held on to the cue...it is NOT a foul.

If he lays the cue on the table and lets go of it..I believe it is foul.

Under what rules? Used to see this kind of thing all the time, not sure about recently, though.

 

[crappoolguy]

Where I'm from, even if he let go of it, that wasn't a foul.

 

[randyg]

BTW I've searched the forums and do not find the question/answer. Based on the results of that search I would like to direct the question to Robert Jewett, Jay and anybody else who KNOWS. SITUATION: Opponent in 9B is left with a shot where the cueball may/or not pass an intervening ball on the way to a good hit on maybe a 1/16 of an inch available on the next required ball in sequence. It's too difficult to see whether the CB can make it thru. So- he lays cue on table as a straight edge to see if the path is open. He leaves the cue on table and sights down the path from both directions. Shoots and makes good hit. FOUL?????

3RAILKICK/Bill

Under Texas Express Rules that would be a foul.....SPF=randyg

 

[pooltchr]

www.generationpool.com
general rules
fouls

"If the shooter uses his cue stick in order to align a shot by placing it on the table without having a hand on the stick, it is a foul."

Steve

 

[thyme3421]

It's not a foul anywhere I've played.
Tournaments I've been in the guy will wait for his turn, then say "I have to go to the bathroom real quick" and lay his cue on the table until he gets back.
This is the same thing (table wise)

If he moved a ball in the process though.......

 

[3RAILKICK]

It's not a foul anywhere I've played.
Tournaments I've been in the guy will wait for his turn, then say "I have to go to the bathroom real quick" and lay his cue on the table until he gets back.
This is the same thing (table wise)

If he moved a ball in the process though.......

I was not clear. He did not park it on the table out of harms way while he went on a break. He used it as a straight edge to 'measure' a possible path for the CB to travel. My bad.

3railkick/Bill

 

[jdr]

Here's the rule from the BCA website

3.42 DEVICES
Players are not allowed to use a ball, the triangle or any other width-measuring device to see if the cue ball or an object ball would travel through a gap, etc. Only the cue stick may be used as an aid to judge gaps or as an aid to aligning a shot., so long as the cue is held by the hand. To do so otherwise is a foul and unsportsmanlike conduct. (Also see Rules 1.3, 1.4 and 2.15)

 

[3RAILKICK]

Here's the rule from the BCA website

3.42 DEVICES
Players are not allowed to use a ball, the triangle or any other width-measuring device to see if the cue ball or an object ball would travel through a gap, etc. Only the cue stick may be used as an aid to judge gaps or as an aid to aligning a shot., so long as the cue is held by the hand. To do so otherwise is a foul and unsportsmanlike conduct. (Also see Rules 1.3, 1.4 and 2.15)

Thanks. So since this a 'house league' it depends on the league director's take on what's OK. He says it is OK. I'll just have to deal with it.

Thanks everyone.

3railkick/Bill

edit: MAYBE I need another shaft for my cue/or several of different lengths, such that the taper creates a perfect straight edge for sighting straight lines (those damn pro taper deals can mess you up) in these situations. My luck though would be to have to forfeit for breaking down my cue to install the other shaft. OK- NOW I'm done whining.

 

[stick8]

rule

BTW I've searched the forums and do not find the question/answer. Based on the results of that search I would like to direct the question to Robert Jewett, Jay and anybody else who KNOWS. SITUATION: Opponent in 9B is left with a shot where the cueball may/or not pass an intervening ball on the way to a good hit on maybe a 1/16 of an inch available on the next required ball in sequence. It's too difficult to see whether the CB can make it thru. So- he lays cue on table as a straight edge to see if the path is open. He leaves the cue on table and sights down the path from both directions. Shoots and makes good hit. FOUL?????

3RAILKICK/Bill

FOUL

 

[Koopa]

Never played a tournament around here where that's considered a foul. I hope I never do either because I have the habit of laying my cue on the table when I go to the bathroom or bar.

 

[3RAILKICK]

Never played a tournament around here where that's considered a foul. I hope I never do either because I have the habit of laying my cue on the table when I go to the bathroom or bar.

LANGUAGE BARRIER

Response does not address the topic. The question is not whether it is OK to leave the cue on the table WHILE YOU GO TAKE A PISS. The question was whether it is CHEATING to use the cue to figure out if there's room for the cue ball to go by a ball thats in the way without hitting that ball. Stated another way- can you only 'eyeball' it?- or can you get out your chalkline and snap a line after you used your surveyor's transit and optics to help figure it out b4 you shoot?

Now I can understand that you didn't understand the question if you read (past tense) this while you had to go PISS REAL BADDDDD- that interferes with the ability to read and comprehend.

My next post will contain lots of bad words and insults so that it can be more easily understood.

WTF(maybe pictures -in color-would help)
3railkick/Bill

EDIT: I am kinda afraid to ask- where those tournaments are being held. But that would be good info to know - I guess.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... FOUL?????

3RAILKICK/Bill

As others have pointed out, it is presently a foul under World Standardized Rules to let go of your stick when using it to align a shot. I'm told that there were a few players who would constantly line up shots like this, and the rule was put in specifically for them. My own feeling is that you should be able to do whatever you want with your cue stick to help your play. Or at least, I can't think of anything that would be a real problem. If a player takes too long to play by using whatever technique, then I think it is better to outlaw slow play than to outlaw a particular technique that in some players leads to slow play.

Placing the stick on the table along the right line and then shooting with it while reaching way out over the table is a fairly common carom technique. There would be a lot of unhappy carommers if the UMB tried to adopt the "one hand on the stick at all times" rule.

 

[12squared]

Never played a tournament around here where that's considered a foul. I hope I never do either because I have the habit of laying my cue on the table when I go to the bathroom or bar.

This is not a foul becasue you're not using your cue stick to aim, you're just taking a break. Not the same thing.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

It's a foul. though it is permitted to use your cuestick as a measuring tool, you cannot however leave it on the table. it is considered unsportmanlike. you're not practicing alone anymore, you're playing someone.

 

[Runnin8]

I have special 2.25" diameter cue I use to check ball clearances (kidding!). Foul.

My cue doesn't help much in that situation- darn parabolic taper!

 

[jay helfert]

Under Texas Express Rules that would be a foul.....SPF=randyg

I have to go along with Randy here. That's a big no no.

 

[MinoInADixeCup]

I would go down to the nearest home improvement store and get a nice long dowel rod. Cut it up into 3 or 4 pieces and put screw pins and threads in either end so it can be screwed back together. Then glue a tip onto one of the pieces.

Next time you play that guy, wait for a good time and then say "I'll need to get my other stick out for this one" then pull that thing out and screw a couple pieces together and use it to make sure your shot goes.

Sometimes, in order to get a rule changed, you need to show how bad the rule is with a really exaggerated example.