First let me point out to all of you skeptics and crybabies are not professional players. Ever pro out there is excited about the IPT and prays to God that finally there will be enough money in this game to live decently. Every pro out there supports this. Why? Of course they all know that Trudeau has had a questionable past, but at the same time, how could this new tour hurt pool? Pool is so f***ed up right now, NOTHING could be worse. The only worse thing that could happen would be for pool to stay the same, and that would be thanks to you crybabies who immediately jump on the anti IPT bandwagon. Not one of you is a pro, you are average joe's in pool who think that YOU actually have a say in where professional pool is going. Are you all forgetting that Mike Sigel knows Trudeau personally? Mike knows everything that Kevin is going to do. Do you think Mike Sigel wants to see professional players ripped off? Is that what you really think? FOR ONCE, STOP YOUR PATHETIC BITCHING AND JUST GIVE IT A CHANCE. $899 FOR A LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP IS CHEAPER THAN PAYING THE UPA TOUR FEES. This might be the greatest thing to happen to the game, and if this does happen, where will you skeptics be? Finding another reason to bitch?
IPT and you Crybabies
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is a chance the players have to take. During the Big Apple nine ball event, I spoke to a few of the pros about IPT. I assure you, many willing to sign up do so with some reservations, understanding it as a calculated gamble.
Still, the suggestion that pro players are the only ones with a stake in the success fo the IPT is not reasonable. If pool as a sport becomes associated with a scam, a concern that even some prepared to roll the dice on the IPT expressed to me, isn't it just possible it will reenforce the image of poolplayers as being inclined to sacrifice their integrity for a buck? Isn't it possible it could lessen pro pool's access to sponsor dollars? Isn't it possible it will reenforce the views of parents who don't want their kids to play pool? Isn't it possible that those who've traditionally been willing to contrubte time and money to pro pool would be less inclined to do so?
Perhaps the venture will go well, and pool's ship is coming in. That's what we're all hoping for.
As a man that has a) risked tens of thousands sponsoring pro players over the years, b) served pro pool in unpaid administrative capacities, and c) spent a few thousand dollars annually as a fan of pool for many years, I am both shocked and insulted by your implication that only the pro players need concern themselves with the merits of the IPT, and that others should but out.
Everyone who cares about pro pool and about pool in general has a stake in this. That's why the subject has been debated on the forum. Of course, if you think that those who would invest in pro pool and those who would spend money as fans of the game don't matter, you hardly stand alone, but, respectfully, I'll ask you to reconsider your position.
Still, the suggestion that pro players are the only ones with a stake in the success fo the IPT is not reasonable. If pool as a sport becomes associated with a scam, a concern that even some prepared to roll the dice on the IPT expressed to me, isn't it just possible it will reenforce the image of poolplayers as being inclined to sacrifice their integrity for a buck? Isn't it possible it could lessen pro pool's access to sponsor dollars? Isn't it possible it will reenforce the views of parents who don't want their kids to play pool? Isn't it possible that those who've traditionally been willing to contrubte time and money to pro pool would be less inclined to do so?
Perhaps the venture will go well, and pool's ship is coming in. That's what we're all hoping for.
As a man that has a) risked tens of thousands sponsoring pro players over the years, b) served pro pool in unpaid administrative capacities, and c) spent a few thousand dollars annually as a fan of pool for many years, I am both shocked and insulted by your implication that only the pro players need concern themselves with the merits of the IPT, and that others should but out.
Everyone who cares about pro pool and about pool in general has a stake in this. That's why the subject has been debated on the forum. Of course, if you think that those who would invest in pro pool and those who would spend money as fans of the game don't matter, you hardly stand alone, but, respectfully, I'll ask you to reconsider your position.
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This is about three things
ros, Unknowns, and TV coverage.
1. Is it a good payday for pros who make a living at pool? Only they can speak by by riding the train and collecting the nut. Lets see how many.
I don't know the inside political deal with the sanctioning bodies. Do
the players screw themselves or their sponsorship deals by jumping on a new bandwagon?
2. Unknowns who come out of the woods. If its big bucks, they'll wear a disguise and use another alias.
3. TV coverage for the everyday pool player. ESPN is old school. the matches are dated. there owned by disney who definately doesn't like pool's vibe. ESPN is locked into whatever exclusive deals the've already made. I didn't see any mention yesterday on espn news! its a lock out.
this treadua cat is an informercial maven. good or bad he knows how to get product on TV. You make a big media buy with cash up front and that time slot is yours. No abc (disney owned) ,cbs, or nbc though. they won't do a
national deal. That leaves cable or FOX. FOX has a national broadcast network, a sports cable channel, a news channel, and sky asia and europe. Thats the outlet. Forget pay per view the head end operators take at least 50% of any fees just to uplink. I want to see more recent pool on TV. I don't want to pay extra for it above cable or satellite fees. Get a media packet from IPT and read between the lines. Now if Don King was running this ship;
PROTECT YOUR NUTS !
ros, Unknowns, and TV coverage.1. Is it a good payday for pros who make a living at pool? Only they can speak by by riding the train and collecting the nut. Lets see how many.
I don't know the inside political deal with the sanctioning bodies. Do
the players screw themselves or their sponsorship deals by jumping on a new bandwagon?
2. Unknowns who come out of the woods. If its big bucks, they'll wear a disguise and use another alias.
3. TV coverage for the everyday pool player. ESPN is old school. the matches are dated. there owned by disney who definately doesn't like pool's vibe. ESPN is locked into whatever exclusive deals the've already made. I didn't see any mention yesterday on espn news! its a lock out.
this treadua cat is an informercial maven. good or bad he knows how to get product on TV. You make a big media buy with cash up front and that time slot is yours. No abc (disney owned) ,cbs, or nbc though. they won't do a
national deal. That leaves cable or FOX. FOX has a national broadcast network, a sports cable channel, a news channel, and sky asia and europe. Thats the outlet. Forget pay per view the head end operators take at least 50% of any fees just to uplink. I want to see more recent pool on TV. I don't want to pay extra for it above cable or satellite fees. Get a media packet from IPT and read between the lines. Now if Don King was running this ship;
PROTECT YOUR NUTS !
There's an article about KT on AOL in their business news section. I hope he is what he claims to be, because the players (and the fans) deserve better than they're getting now. But, from everything I've been reading, he sure comes across as a shady character. This will either be the best thing to happen to pool in decades, or a sad farce. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I hope my recent posts did not help motivate this thread, though I can see where they might. For the record, I am all for a deep pocketed 'owner' of professional pool. I hope it works, everyone will benefit. I am also not a threat to enter, I'm just an below average joe pool player. But as an old jock I like the idea of a regulated open competition rather than an entertainment show. Having said that, given the current state of pool, this is absolutely worth a shot and could grow into a major-league competition production ... perhaps the 4 bikini clad women will have to be tolerated for a while.
Dave
Dave
sjm said:
i think most people will say "business as usual for pool", and the game won't be any the worse off. the bottom line for TV is numbers and dollars, and it will do anything to get it. pool operates below the radar anyway, and doesn't provide the numbers.
$899 FOR A LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP
I havent had the time to read about the man personally but why does this initiation fee sound like the price on a used car. Why $899? Why not $900 or an even $1000? This makes me leary. Are the entry fees to the tournaments going to be $124.99? Just an observation.
I havent had the time to read about the man personally but why does this initiation fee sound like the price on a used car. Why $899? Why not $900 or an even $1000? This makes me leary. Are the entry fees to the tournaments going to be $124.99? Just an observation.
watchez said:
i'm sure its has something to do with legal/financial matters. if he charges more than 900, its probably put in some other type of business bracket or whatever.
i'm not an accountant or lawyer, but i'm sure its some sort of technicality he's avoiding and/or exploiting.
the guy knows how to make money, so i'm sure its 899 for a reason.
VAP
watchez said:
That is a business price. Anything that is $99.00 or $99.95 is always less than a hundred. Just look at the prices on any store's products, $6.99, $7.99 etc. The selling point is that it is always less than the next whole number and you are drawn to buy. I don't care what IPT does, as long that it pays every winner. And also I hope they don't use the words " World Champion" in all their tours. World Champion is only used by a recognized world body. The Joss tour or the San Miguel tour have world champion entries but not recognized as world championships. Not even Asian champions but merely Leg winners. LJJ and Sigel match up should just be called "Battle of ex-world champions" and not World 8 Ball Championships.
parvus1202 said:
This is a normal business practice, but I dont think it would be needed here. With the money he is putting up keeping it under 900 in order to get players is not a concern. I would be shocked if he doesnt get more applications than the 150 that he is going to let enter the tour.
I don't have to explain that Kevin Trudeau is a scam. A many time convicted donkey who even claimed to have a cure for cancer and selling it to old and sick people with not much time to live. If you don't believe me google his name and read all the articles on the first two pages.
So we can put that as a fact, this guy is a scam.
Now with this so called WORLD 8 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP?????
First of all this trick is very old. You need publicity for your scam and organizes a big match between 2 players giving them both 5000$ and promoting the event as the biggest ever. Put up prize money as much as you want. Now I am not saying this happend but it looks like this very commen commercial trick and Kevin is a convicted scam artist. I also heard that this happend already a long time ago with snooker.
Then who the hell thoughed he could have two oldies at the table and call it the World 8-ball championship???????? Sorry, but you must be out of your mind to choose that name. Is it to make it look better then it is? Do they wanted to get the true 8-ball champion Reyes against them???
Then about the so called fee you must pay to be on a list 899$ and that garantees nothing. Your name is on a list and when there is a tournament you might get selected and join the tournament. Then you still have to pay a fee for the tournmant....how much..nobody knows!!
What if this not WPA sanctioned tournament is during the WPC or during the US Open what do the players choose. Probally the money and the other tournaments looss their sponsors and will go bankrupt.
That is only IF KEvin keeps his word with this tournaments because I don't see a rule that if the tour is canceld you get your money back...
Players be careful be very careful!!! If this was so great why not join the WPA and why is this all done by a person who is convicted so many times for scams??? Please be carefull donating your 899$
So we can put that as a fact, this guy is a scam.
Now with this so called WORLD 8 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP?????
First of all this trick is very old. You need publicity for your scam and organizes a big match between 2 players giving them both 5000$ and promoting the event as the biggest ever. Put up prize money as much as you want. Now I am not saying this happend but it looks like this very commen commercial trick and Kevin is a convicted scam artist. I also heard that this happend already a long time ago with snooker.
Then who the hell thoughed he could have two oldies at the table and call it the World 8-ball championship???????? Sorry, but you must be out of your mind to choose that name. Is it to make it look better then it is? Do they wanted to get the true 8-ball champion Reyes against them???
Then about the so called fee you must pay to be on a list 899$ and that garantees nothing. Your name is on a list and when there is a tournament you might get selected and join the tournament. Then you still have to pay a fee for the tournmant....how much..nobody knows!!
What if this not WPA sanctioned tournament is during the WPC or during the US Open what do the players choose. Probally the money and the other tournaments looss their sponsors and will go bankrupt.
That is only IF KEvin keeps his word with this tournaments because I don't see a rule that if the tour is canceld you get your money back...
Players be careful be very careful!!! If this was so great why not join the WPA and why is this all done by a person who is convicted so many times for scams??? Please be carefull donating your 899$
berry said:
Berry,
Try reading a few threads on here about the IPT and you'll see you are quite poorly informed.
Then you might deserve a detailed reply to debunk all your illogical assumptions.
One thing is for certain. He has invested minimum around 500k already in event and promotion costs, probably 2 or 3 times that amount.
I have read more then you think and I am looking foreward to your reply on my statement.
Copy of the statement from page 1 of this topic:
I don't have to explain that Kevin Trudeau is a scam. A many time convicted donkey who even claimed to have a cure for cancer and selling it to old and sick people with not much time to live. If you don't believe me google his name and read all the articles on the first two pages.
So we can put that as a fact, this guy is a scam.
Now with this so called WORLD 8 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP?????
First of all this trick is very old. You need publicity for your scam and organizes a big match between 2 players giving them both 5000$ and promoting the event as the biggest ever. Put up prize money as much as you want. Now I am not saying this happend but it looks like this very commen commercial trick and Kevin is a convicted scam artist. I also heard that this happend already a long time ago with snooker.
Then who the hell thoughed he could have two oldies at the table and call it the World 8-ball championship???????? Sorry, but you must be out of your mind to choose that name. Is it to make it look better then it is? Do they wanted to get the true 8-ball champion Reyes against them???
Then about the so called fee you must pay to be on a list 899$ and that garantees nothing. Your name is on a list and when there is a tournament you might get selected and join the tournament. Then you still have to pay a fee for the tournmant....how much..nobody knows!!
What if this not WPA sanctioned tournament is during the WPC or during the US Open what do the players choose. Probally the money and the other tournaments looss their sponsors and will go bankrupt.
That is only IF KEvin keeps his word with this tournaments because I don't see a rule that if the tour is canceld you get your money back...
Players be careful be very careful!!! If this was so great why not join the WPA and why is this all done by a person who is convicted so many times for scams??? Please be carefull donating your 899$
Copy of the statement from page 1 of this topic:
I don't have to explain that Kevin Trudeau is a scam. A many time convicted donkey who even claimed to have a cure for cancer and selling it to old and sick people with not much time to live. If you don't believe me google his name and read all the articles on the first two pages.
So we can put that as a fact, this guy is a scam.
Now with this so called WORLD 8 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP?????
First of all this trick is very old. You need publicity for your scam and organizes a big match between 2 players giving them both 5000$ and promoting the event as the biggest ever. Put up prize money as much as you want. Now I am not saying this happend but it looks like this very commen commercial trick and Kevin is a convicted scam artist. I also heard that this happend already a long time ago with snooker.
Then who the hell thoughed he could have two oldies at the table and call it the World 8-ball championship???????? Sorry, but you must be out of your mind to choose that name. Is it to make it look better then it is? Do they wanted to get the true 8-ball champion Reyes against them???
Then about the so called fee you must pay to be on a list 899$ and that garantees nothing. Your name is on a list and when there is a tournament you might get selected and join the tournament. Then you still have to pay a fee for the tournmant....how much..nobody knows!!
What if this not WPA sanctioned tournament is during the WPC or during the US Open what do the players choose. Probally the money and the other tournaments looss their sponsors and will go bankrupt.
That is only IF KEvin keeps his word with this tournaments because I don't see a rule that if the tour is canceld you get your money back...
Players be careful be very careful!!! If this was so great why not join the WPA and why is this all done by a person who is convicted so many times for scams??? Please be carefull donating your 899$
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I am very sorry I had read the topic but didn't link this post to your name:
Colin Colenso worte:
"His book does a good job of uncovering the fraudulent and harmful FDA and pharmaceutical industry.
The fact that he is educating millions to be more suspicious about governmental interference in the health/sickness industry is a great contribution to the world."
I guess we don't need to have a discusion on this forum when you make statements like this.
Sorry!
Colin Colenso worte:
"His book does a good job of uncovering the fraudulent and harmful FDA and pharmaceutical industry.
The fact that he is educating millions to be more suspicious about governmental interference in the health/sickness industry is a great contribution to the world."
I guess we don't need to have a discusion on this forum when you make statements like this.
Sorry!
Membership fee now $1.
The membership fee of $899 is now going to be $1.
The membership fee of $899 is now going to be $1.
Ok, I'll make it as brief and painless as possible. You better go grab a pencil and paper....and a dictionaryberry said:
A person can't be a scam...maybe a scammer. He has already done what he said he would do btw, so you can't mean that everything he says is untrue. Anyway, I believe his claims about curing cancer are no different than is the basic underlying assumption in a huge and growing market of alternative medicine.
The fact is the AMA and the FDA are the biggest and most criminal scammers outside of the military industrial complex. They monopolize the business. Curing sickness would put them out of business. Their business is to prolong sickness, and they can succeed in this through protection from open market competition. That is a natural and predictable outcome of economic incentives. KT bucking that system is a good thing.
His other marketing methods I find tasteless, but they work. Who got hurt by his mega-memory tapes? He just knows how to sell to the majority of sheeples.
Other than his credit card fraud which was a small issue he did a long while back, about which he is apologetic. The other charges I believe are none of the government's business. It should be buyer beware. If we give the government the job of arbitrating which claims are justified, advertising will end up sounding like political doubletalk. The best arbitration is independent reviews such as the hotel rating systems, quality control standards, choice magazine and the like. Government interference prevents these types of standards review companies from being more effective.
It's not really a trick, it is part of the evolution of all associations. Snooker is close to death after years of almost take overs. Their system was based on the well known delusion of democracy. That is, all the members voted on the associations decisions. Naturally the lower ranked masses wanted their interests served at the cost of the better players. Imagine a company where the employees got to vote for their salaries. It would be out of business in a month. They recently changed to a system allowing greater top down control, but it may not be enough. They'd probably be better selling the whole thing to a decent businessman.
We need competition among associations just like in business so that the best people and organizational models can win out. He who can afford to pay the employees the best, wins their participation.
I suspect KT can produce far more value out of the players than the WPA ever could. Their structure and operation seems entirely unsuited to me to ever be able to generate wealth for the sport. At best they can ride on the backs of some real businessmen like Barry Hearn and KT.
I'll hazard that he'll triple his sales revenue on that broadcast with that event name, rather than some crappy name the WPA would allow. It's much like the names for WWE events. This will create some hype for the 99.9% of potential viewers who know nothing about what qualifies as a real World Championship among insiders. The event may go down in history, but I'm sure any future mention of Mike's 10 World Championships will have an asterix. (Big Deal, it will give the statisticians something to put in their Trivial Pursuit games).
I have applied and their is no charge. Only the 150 selected will have to pay the membership!
Tournament fee is $199 last time I looked, for $1 Million prizemoney. That's a gift!
He would be an idiot to do that and I'm sure he wont. Fact is, neither of those pose a threat to his tour. If the WPA tried to penalize IPT members by banning them from the WPC, then I reckon Barry Hearn would ditch the WPA in a heartbeat.
Barry's got no reason to fight this, from what I see. It may open some doors for him with his media and sponsorship connections in Europe he'd make a great partner for the IPT.
If KT starts making a killing out of this, we may see other media savvy entrepreneurs (big boys) move in for the action. Then KT might see some real rivals and there would be a war for the big name players.
Your concern that he will try to kill the US Open and WPC seems to me ludricrous. Another economic myth straight of of the Marxian Indoctrination Centers (Government Schools).
He has clearly spent at least 500k, probably almost 2 million already setting this tour up and producing the first event, and you think his cunning plan is to wrought 150 x $899 = US$135k out of a buch of poor players???
You ought to start studying and learning from KT about how business and media work. He is certainly not stupid. Your insights above however....do not pass the muster
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