Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit

AtLarge

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... Only a couple times from what I remember did he let the cue ball stay in the rack and then get BIH for the break shot, and only a couple times was the break ball under the rack. I only recall one time that the cue ball hit a rail before going into the rack after making the break ball - almost every time he had perfect position on the break ball.

He ran over 400 dozens of times, I believe. I don’t recall the exact numbers and didn’t take notes, ...
Good memory! Bob Jewett took notes on Schmidt's break-shot locations and posted the results earlier in this thread. He shows 4 times from below the rack and twice (as you remembered) with ball in hand in the kitchen: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/is-schmidts-and-charlie-626-legit.506237/page-69#post-6604581.

But I have to correct you on the "over 400 dozens of times." He has done it 8 times, 6 of which were during his high-run attempts of 2018 and 2019: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/congratulations-john-schmidt.528219/#post-6906441
 

Black-Balled

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Well, B-B, I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I was responding to JB's statement about Schmidt's level of competition in that one event. So I just posted his path to the win. I have done similarly with others (SVB comes to mind) in the past.
That is exactly what I was talking about. Sorry it wasn't clearer.

Can you share the svb path you mentioned, please and thank you!
 

Z-Nole

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Montana is a big state with *a lot" of really good bar box 8ball players.

And as someone pointed out in another thread, up in Montana playing pool is second only to hunting and fishing. Every bar has scads of teams. It's huge. It's so big they even have an annual "belt buckle" tournament that players come from all over to compete in. The winner gets a silver rodeo style buckle. Winning that one is one of my proudest pool accomplishments : -)

Lou Figueroa
That’s a cool trophy. And in ‘79 that was the fashion. Jeesh you’re old…
 

lfigueroa

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That’s a cool trophy. And in ‘79 that was the fashion. Jeesh you’re old…

lol, and with luck, you will be too one day -- don't blink, it happens fast.

So yes, the buckle was cool and it did come in handy. I mean, it was Montana, and about a year later "Urban Cowboy" starring Travolta came out so I was set.

Lou Figueroa
 

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BRussell

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Good memory! Bob Jewett took notes on Schmidt's break-shot locations and posted the results earlier in this thread. He shows 4 times from below the rack and twice (as you remembered) with ball in hand in the kitchen: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/is-schmidts-and-charlie-626-legit.506237/page-69#post-6604581.

But I have to correct you on the "over 400 dozens of times." He has done it 8 times, 6 of which were during his high-run attempts of 2018 and 2019: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/congratulations-john-schmidt.528219/#post-6906441
Thanks, it didn’t sound right to me after I typed it. Maybe it was over 300 that was dozens of times.
 

Z-Nole

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lol, and with luck, you will be too one day -- don't blink, it happens fast.

So yes, the buckle was cool and it did come in handy. I mean, it was Montana, and about a year later "Urban Cowboy" starring Travolta came out so I was set.

Lou Figueroa
I’m not too far behind…I see the resemblance to travolta. Ha
 

AtLarge

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SVB's path to victory in the 2019 World 14.1 Championship:

Round-robin portion -- 5-0, including a win over Max Eberle​
Single-elimination portion -- wins over Madenjian, Eberle, Schmidt, and Deuel​

(not exactly a strong field overall, but Hohmann was also in it)
 

Dan Harriman

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And, some people just have that cheating character defect though and they probably can't help themselves
This is accurate, I know the character of the j.s and c.w. when it comes to shady business and or engineering possible falsehoods. Win if you can - lose if you must - but never cheat. I have said it before and I will repeat - catching an unedited run of 600+ on video - has nothing to do with - who you know. The theater show that poor bloodybrussel attended has been edited or sped up for time purposes? Staging a non legit theater presentation of a video that has been sped up for time purposes - IS ABOUT - who you know. Capturing a Legit Unedited run of 600+ IN 14.1 - the people can purchase and then see from the comfort of their house - has nothing to do with who you know.
 
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Dan Harriman

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Thanks, it didn’t sound right to me after I typed it. Maybe it was over 300 that was dozens of times.
It did not sound right to me after u typed it either, a nother' happy customer who enjoys sweating chopped footage from their 'semi private' theater.
 

Dan Harriman

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Montana is a big state with *a lot" of really good bar box 8ball players.

And as someone pointed out in another thread, up in Montana playing pool is second only to hunting and fishing. Every bar has scads of teams. It's huge. It's so big they even have an annual "belt buckle" tournament that players come from all over to compete in. The winner gets a silver rodeo style buckle. Winning that one is one of my proudest pool accomplishments : -)

Lou Figueroa
That is a Cool belt buckle Lou, if held in Big Sky Country - why does it say little Chicago?
 

measureman

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Johns 626 is impressive but he did it on a table he was very familiar with having run multiple 100's of balls.
Same with all the other mega runs by past players.
Mosconi ran 526 on a table he was not familiar with in god only knows what kind of shape it was in.
 

lfigueroa

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That is a Cool belt buckle Lou, if held in Big Sky Country - why does it say little Chicago?

Danny, my recollection is that Little Chicago was the original name of Black Eagle or north Great Falls across the river, and there was a bar there called Little Chicago with a lot of bar boxes at which they held the annual belt buckle tourney.

Lou Figueroa
 

ChicagoRJ

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Johns 626 is impressive but he did it on a table he was very familiar with having run multiple 100's of balls.
Same with all the other mega runs by past players.
Mosconi ran 526 on a table he was not familiar with in god only knows what kind of shape it was in.
There are no rules about the table. Mosconi ran his on an 8 foot table and nobody said a word about it. Nobody complained about it. So, the same should be true for JS. Did anyone really expect him to keep jumping to another table.

Baseball has different dimensions in every ball park in America, and different winds, different altitudes, different temperatures, etc. Nobody says a word about that when it comes to Home Runs.
 

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Johns 626 is impressive but he did it on a table he was very familiar with having run multiple 100's of balls.
Same with all the other mega runs by past players.
Mosconi ran 526 on a table he was not familiar with in god only knows what kind of shape it was in.
That was covered about 2700 posts ago. They are both very impressive runs I would say.

If we are somehow trying to equalize them then exactly how many would a man need to make if he played the table before...726?, 1000?

The tables weren't even the same size.

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lfigueroa

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There are no rules about the table. Mosconi ran his on an 8 foot table and nobody said a word about it. Nobody complained about it. So, the same should be true for JS. Did anyone really expect him to keep jumping to another table.

Baseball has different dimensions in every ball park in America, and different winds, different altitudes, different temperatures, etc. Nobody says a word about that when it comes to Home Runs.

It is my understanding that JS had that table especially set up for high runs.

The table was selected and brought in because it played super soft -- the pockets were extra big, the rails especially forgiving, it was set up with not normal cloth, heaters under the table, and the a/c in the room set super high. There may have been some other stuff done but it definitely wasn't a case of him walking into a strange room and taking on what was there with a room full of strangers.

I am willing to stand corrected and retract any or all of that if someone wants to counter with facts.

Lou Figueroa
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on my breath
 
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ChicagoRJ

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It is my understanding that JS had that table especially set up for high runs.

The table was selected and brought in because it played super soft -- the pockets were extra big, the rails especially forgiving, it was set up with not normal cloth, heaters under the table, and the a/c in the room set super high. There may have been some other stuff done but it definitely wasn't a case of him walking into a strange room and taking on what was there with a room full of strangers.

I am willing to stand corrected and retract any or all of that if someone wants to counter with facts.

Lou Figueroa
I wait with bait
on my breath
And it was 9 feet long. Mosconi's table was 8 feet. Nobody cares.

JS is the world record holder. Mosconi is the best player that ever lived.
 
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