At this point, I don’t care if I ever see the video. I just want to see this thread hit 626 pages.
Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit
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If all that were true, do you have a sense what kind of difference it would make?
Extra big pockets, how extra big? Mosconi had 5" pockets to work with on his 4x8, and I had heard I think, that JS's 4x9 had the same 5".
What kind of abnormal cloth would make a difference, and what kind of difference? Are there that many different kinds of cloth? The people who bought patches from JS might know more.
As for humidity, I've heard players complain that the room was too dry, and not like their humid home rooms that they were used to. I've heard people complain the opposite.
Are you thinking that those conditions, if there were any truth to them, would have made a big difference, or are you thinking that they might have allowed say, ball 534 to go in, when it might not have on a table with different rails or a more humid room?
Maybe someone who saw the video could comment if there were many shots that fell in that wouldn't have on other tables.
It’s entirely about ensuring the break shots are easier to execute. I don’t think the big pockets are because anyone expects John to miss a routine shot, but instead it’s about getting a higher percentage of break shots and clutch recovery shots.
Also the faster than normal cloth, the table heater, polished balls and dry conditions means the balls will open more easily. This is especially important on shallow angle break shots where he may not have got nearly as much action. He is also more likely to get fully open table layouts after the break than if you were playing in a random room on older cloth.
If all of the above conditions were in place, they were indeed tailored for super high runs.
So does that mean that it comes down to the number of clusters? Fast, dry cloth leads to fewer clusters?
According to the commentators on Youtube, fast dry cloth is characteristic of tournaments in some cities over others.
It's another wrinkle.
Mosconi on his 8' table had about a 13% easier time getting into the pockets, and his shots were also 13% shorter, and if the balls were spread out evenly, Mosconi had 22% more crowding to deal with.
Does fast dry cloth reduce clusters by 5%, 10% or more?
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No speed records were set into a headwind.
I think we all know that pocket size is not the only measurement that matters when it comes to determining how easy they play.
I also think that we have all experienced variations in cloth that can make it harder or easier to run balls. (I think the pieces of cloth fans got was laminated or sealed up, so I'm not so sure they'd be able to tell much.) As to humidity, i also think it is common knowledge that humid conditions are not conducive to best play and in fact 3C tournament tables are set up with heaters to warm the slate and at many tournament venues the a/c is jacked up. I know that when I was at Buffalo’s to watch their 1pocket tournament there a couple of months ago there was a big dehumidifier running and at one point Scott Frost barked at a guy messing with the a/c over the streaming table -- SF wanted it cold. It is usually freezing at the DCC in the tournament rooms.
So my opinion is that yes, all those conditions, if true, would make a big difference and is why they were deployed in the first place.
Lou Figueroa
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As any 14.1 player knows: if the balls open up just a wee bit more because of dry conditions it is huge.
Lou Figueroa
But speed records set with a tail wind may sometimes be discounted,
I don't think they ever found the Mosconi video, did they?
It's not as fun making fun of people when they don't reallize they are being made fun of
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Well, the facts are Mosconi had dozens and dozens and dozens of exhibitions over the years. Each one was an "attempt" at running a huge number. Just like his 526, if he was running 200 he probably would have kept going. And yes, sometimes he didn't.
But, nothing much gets by you, I can tell
I heard mosconis world titles were invitationals.
Lots did.
I'm a bad mofo. I don't even have to play to be the best. Too bad you can't play, I really would have enjoyed putting your money in my pocket.. what?! It's not too late?
Great response you had there too. Really sheds light on the 'world championship' which picks its entrants .
I plan on slowing down my footage in relation to future post in this thread, I guess that is different than the sped up footage they show in the 626 theater. I was contemplating j.s's/c.w theater show and the experimental evidence the two people with bca - have provided the Public. I thought of an interesting analogy, people who attend say a book show vs the people who attend the bca/ j.s/c.w. theater show. Both are interested in getting to know the Author, however at the book show - the avid reader can purchase a signed copy of the book the Author is presenting - and take it home. In the up schmit creek theater deal - yer just another happy customer leaving - with no unedited video to take home - this should hit home. Their proof that Mosconi's World record has been surpassed is weak at best. Actually having an unedited video of 626 for the people to take home from the theater show - would make it Legit. The cow jumping over the moon/theater show - won't stand next to Mosconi's Legit and well documented 526. This thread will remain, I'm about 80% sure at this point - the '626 claim' was nothing more than propaganda to propel schmit (Andy Vollaria) through the hall of fame. I actually hope I am wrong on this one, unfortunately - after them bca/j.s/c.w - withholding any Real Evidence - for over two yrs now after their announcement - I think it is highly unlikely.
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Well, the facts are Mosconi had dozens and dozens and dozens of exhibitions over the years. Each one was an "attempt" at running a huge number. Just like his 526, if he was running 200 he probably would have kept going. And yes, sometimes he didn't.
But, nothing much gets by you, I can tell
We've been over this numerous times and what you are saying is totally incorrect.
Yes, he put on exhibitions for years and would run 100 virtually every time. Or, if he got out with a lesser number, he'd turn to the crowd and ask, "Would you like to see a 100 ball run?" do it, and then launch into his trick shots. By all accounts, he just stopped cold when he got to 100 except for that one night when the crowd urged him on and he ran the 526.
Then it was off to the next room or town for the next exhibition, sometimes the same day. He was there play a match, put on a show, collect a paycheck, and move on. Willie did not care about high runs. Charlie Ursitti reported that he racked for Mosconi before he played Fats and when he got past 600, with a perfect break shot at hand, Mosconi unscrewed and reputedly said: See, running over 600 is no big deal.
Lou Figueroa
Yeah, so. He stopped. Too bad. On 526 he didn't. I'm sure that is not the only run where he didn't stop. And without video, we'll never know.
Willie didn't care about high runs. Good for him. But, you all are freaking out about some guy who broke a high run record against some other guy who didn't give a fuk. Weird.
Slowed down= doctored= edited= chopped.
How are you sure there were other runs when he didn’t stop?
Besides all that, and speaking just for myself, I’m not freaked out about any of this as I’m sure you are not.
Lou Figueroa