Jan Swanson now Mosconi Cup event?

[jay helfert]

This year they will be giving Mosconi Cup points for regional tournaments that are noteworthy, like the Swanee, the Joss Tour and perhaps even the Mezz Tour. There will be less point awarded than in larger tournaments like DCC, but it gives players an incentive to play more of these regional tournaments. I think it's a good thing and will only add interest for the MC. Mosconi Cup points will bring more players into these fields and be a boost for tourney pool in the USA. There should definitely be MC points awarded for the Bigfoot tourney as well. We only get the best players in the world competing!

 

[SUPERSTAR]

This year they will be giving Mosconi Cup points for regional tournaments that are noteworthy, like the Swanee, the Joss Tour and perhaps even the Mezz Tour. There will be less point awarded than in larger tournaments like DCC, but it gives players an incentive to play more of these regional tournaments. I think it's a good thing and will only add interest for the MC. Mosconi Cup points will bring more players into these fields and be a boost for tourney pool in the USA. There should definitely be MC points awarded for the Bigfoot tourney as well. We only get the best players in the world competing!

How are the points tournaments determined?
Added money? Field size? Years running?
WHO makes that determination?

 

[jay helfert]

How are the points tournaments determined?
Added money? Field size? Years running?
WHO makes that determination?

Matchroom on all of the above.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Matchroom on all of the above.

As long as the players in contention don't have to kiss any particular ass, or bend over when commanded to by someone hosting a points event.

And as long as tournament directors don't mysteriously insert players in contention for spots, into tournaments that they screwed up on by not getting their entry fees in on time, and watching mysteriously as someone goes from 15th on the waiting list, to IN THE TOURNAMENT, screwing over everyone that was on the list in front of them.

And any other B.S. that can happen. LOL

 

[pt109]

This year they will be giving Mosconi Cup points for regional tournaments that are noteworthy, like the Swanee, the Joss Tour and perhaps even the Mezz Tour. There will be less point awarded than in larger tournaments like DCC, but it gives players an incentive to play more of these regional tournaments. I think it's a good thing and will only add interest for the MC. Mosconi Cup points will bring more players into these fields and be a boost for tourney pool in the USA. There should definitely be MC points awarded for the Bigfoot tourney as well. We only get the best players in the world competing!

I like this idea a lot.
Reduced points make sense for smaller tournaments.....
...but this system supports the total game year round.

 

[accustatsfan]

If the Swanee has Mosconi points that means the field should be bigger than ever?

The Swanee used to be held at College Billiards in El Cajon (part of San Diego) big reasons it moved to Hard times was College billiards wasn't big enough to hold the bigger number of players that play the Swanee, The other reason was hard times was more centrally located in the state making it more convenient for players to attend.

No way is On Cue billiards a large enough venue for the Swanee it is a very nice pool hall highly recommend it to anyone visiting San Diego , but there isn't enough seating for players or spectators tables are 9 ft Gold crowns.

 

[AtLarge]

... There should definitely be MC points awarded for the Bigfoot tourney as well. We only get the best players in the world competing!

But that is a small-field invitational event with only a few USA players. Would it be fair to allow the few players in that event to earn MC points when most players cannot even enter?

 

[pooladdict]

This year they will be giving Mosconi Cup points for regional tournaments that are noteworthy, like the Swanee, the Joss Tour and perhaps even the Mezz Tour. There will be less point awarded than in larger tournaments like DCC, but it gives players an incentive to play more of these regional tournaments. I think it's a good thing and will only add interest for the MC. Mosconi Cup points will bring more players into these fields and be a boost for tourney pool in the USA. There should definitely be MC points awarded for the Bigfoot tourney as well. We only get the best players in the world competing!

Have to disagree here Jay, Bigfoot is a killer field, but awarding MC points in a 16 man or is it 32 now - semi invitational field is wrong.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I've said a couple of times here that there should probably only be 4 to 6 tournaments only on 9 foot tables for Cup qualifying & they should be single elimination races to 5. The top 10 to 15 qualify & the Capt. picks the whole team.

You would not take flag football players to play in the Super Bowl or slow pitch soft ball players to play in the World Series.

But... Its really not about a true real competition, is it? It's a production.

So... forget the qualifying.

Take the top money earners from a long list of 'qualifying' tournaments.

It's only a 5 man team. You can not serve two masters. Either make it competitive or use it to try to grow the game.

It can't really be done right with two intentions. Focus on the right one & the other will be a by product or lagniappe as we say down south.

Just some food thought.

Best Wishes to ALL.

PS It an individual game. Why even have a Capt. Let Mr. Hearns just designate a USA Administrator & European Administrator & have him pick who he wants based on the advice of the Administrators. Enough of the sham. Go real... one way or the other.

 

[pt109]

But that is a small-field invitational event with only a few USA players. Would it be fair to allow the few players in that event to earn MC points when most players cannot even enter?

I agree with this...any tournament that awards points should be open.

In the WPBSA, a snooker tournament that isn't open to ALL members can not award
ranking points......and that is fair.

 

[BasementDweller]

Looks like CSI finally did away with the pretend Added Money.

Unfortunately, for the players it's now a Subtracted Money Event.

 

[Baby Huey]

The Swanee is a quality event but it is a regional event which is part of the West Coast Swing. The other West Coast events include the Hard Times event prior to the Bar Table Championships in Reno. The money for the Swanee appears to have little if any added to this years event. Is this a sign of things to come in tournaments? The Mezz events actually have money added, I know, I hosted one at my pool room in May and we added $2K. So, why does the Swanee have Mosconi points available? It used to be a very prestigious event but I think we shall see this year how many "pro's" attend.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I'm sure Mark is watching this thread carefully.
He'll chime in soon enough.

But the more negative you are in your responses, the quicker he will come on here and rip everyone for their negativity, and how this is a positive thing for the pool industry (which it very well might be, I wouldn't know) blah blah blah.

Still don't think any regional events should carry points.
And the more little tournament that carry points, the more players have to sell their soul and spend money to go to them all.

Only way I can even see regional events having Mosconi Cup points added, is if they form an actual TOUR and have the appropriate amount of money added.
Organized, advertised, and known well in advance.
Like the Camel Tour back in the day.

And at least add an extra day or something.
2 day endurance contests to determine bigger picture pool outcomes is just stupid.

 

[iusedtoberich]

It would be funny, if we ended up with an A level player on the Mosconi cup, because he simply went to "every single event" all across the country.

This has 100% happened in regional tours, where they award year end points just for showing up. We've had B players have the most points in one tour at the end of the year, simply because they went to every single event.

 

[gxman]

Mike Dechaine will probably not gain any points here. I hardly ever see him travel out west to play.

 

[randallt6]

It would be funny, if we ended up with an A level player on the Mosconi cup, because he simply went to "every single event" all across the country.

This has 100% happened in regional tours, where they award year end points just for showing up. We've had B players have the most points in one tour at the end of the year, simply because they went to every single event.

i think beau runningen would of faired better than corey deuel at mosconi cup this year, it might not be a bad idea! haha

 

[Kris_b1104]

Mike Dechaine will probably not gain any points here. I hardly ever see him travel out west to play.

...But he'll probably be at the World 9 Ball Championship, which is...you know...more important.

 

[BasementDweller]

One possible way they could set up the points system would be to give players points based on their best finishes in certain regional events. They could have a handful of regional events count from the different areas of the country. They could use the Joss Tour, The Mezz Tour, The Predator, you get the idea. Then your top however many finishes could be applied to your point total. Then you would also include the Major events for everybody.

This way you're not forced to attend events that are most likely going to be a financial loss for the player. Instead, you would be expected to play in the regional events that are near you and of course you could always play them all to ensure you get some top finishes. This would also make the points race a little more exciting because more players would have a realistic chance to finish on top.

Just throwing that out there...

 

[Banks]

It would be funny, if we ended up with an A level player on the Mosconi cup, because he simply went to "every single event" all across the country.

This has 100% happened in regional tours, where they award year end points just for showing up. We've had B players have the most points in one tour at the end of the year, simply because they went to every single event.

There's are a few strong facts tucked away in that post.

 

[pt109]

I think that any tournament that is handicapped should be ineligible for points.