I would agree that this makes sense...
Giving him the 11 remaining balls on the table (besides the break ball) is nonsensical.
Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?
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Giving him the 11 remaining balls on the table (besides the break ball) is nonsensical.
First shot has to have q ball in the kitchen
You can watch it at one of his presentations, but you already know that.
That Nick and Al can’t miss something and make a mistake seems way harder to believe than that another group of people watched the video and did see a ball touched.
Sorry, missed this post. You pointed it out before me.
John Schmidt
Um, never
loggerhead12
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Maybe in a match? That's not how I've seen it done solo.
A run is a run, in match play or practice play. Does not matter if you start with BIH, a wide open rack, etc. Put me down strongly in the camp of whatever was run after a foul counts.
I personally think all these straight pool practice runs should be cue ball fouls only.
I personally think all these straight pool practice runs should be cue ball fouls only.
The mid rack thing is interesting. On one hand a “high run attempt” traditionally starts with a break.
On the other hand it’s harder to start mid rack than simply with a break shot.
Back to the first hand, what is a mid rack run? Can you start with a pre-placed cosmo layout that leads to an ideal starter break?
Back to the second hand, or is it just fine because the mid rack was the result of a playing from a break shot and not from an intentional layout.
Back to the first hand, but doesn’t any illegal contact with any mid rack balls spoil the purity of the mid rack’s organic layout? Like what if someone “accidentally” moved problem balls apart and decided to start a run there?
All this back and forth makes me feel that a non-match “high run attempt” must start with a break shot.
On the other hand it’s harder to start mid rack than simply with a break shot.
Back to the first hand, what is a mid rack run? Can you start with a pre-placed cosmo layout that leads to an ideal starter break?
Back to the second hand, or is it just fine because the mid rack was the result of a playing from a break shot and not from an intentional layout.
Back to the first hand, but doesn’t any illegal contact with any mid rack balls spoil the purity of the mid rack’s organic layout? Like what if someone “accidentally” moved problem balls apart and decided to start a run there?
All this back and forth makes me feel that a non-match “high run attempt” must start with a break shot.
Here is a reason why the run should NOT count after a foul. What prevents someone from a starting a high run attempt by blasting the opening rack to create a wide spread (such an 8-ball break), then purposely foul by intentionally toughing an OB, and then start the run? You're pretty much guaranteed a much easier initial 14 balls to start the run.
Why? That just makes the game look silly. We are talking about a "world record attempt", not a bunch of people who have found a pool table and start knocking balls about.
I have not seen John advertise a presentation anywhere.
I have not heard of anyone in my pool circle seeing John’s run.
After 3 years since Schmidty set the 626 record, don’t you find it the least bit strange that it STILL is not available for sale considering a presentation is limiting?
Have you watched Jayson’s run?
Agree, it must start with a break shot with 15 object balls racked. Otherwise you can play warm up shots, and you could start again whenever you miss.
Exactly 658 is the correct total in an exhibition that clearly begins with a ball in hand break shot.
Everytime they foul or miss, the players rerack.
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loggerhead12
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You mean break shot with 14 object balls racked.
What in the hell are you talking about? My high run is 55. My opponent missed part-way through a rack, I finished the rack and broke the next, and missed after 55 balls. You're suggesting the first few balls of my run don't count? WTF are you on?
Edit: Mosconi's run was also from a game situation, it did not start with a BIH break shot either, it started from the position his opponent left him, if I recall correctly. Are his first few balls suspect too?