Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?

[SBC]

What in the hell are you talking about? My high run is 55. My opponent missed part-way through a rack, I finished the rack and broke the next, and missed after 55 balls. You're suggesting the first few balls of my run don't count? WTF are you on?

Edit: Mosconi's run was also from a game situation, it did not start with a BIH break shot either, it started from the position his opponent left him, if I recall correctly. Are his first few balls suspect too?

These guys were in exhibitions....that start from breakshots.

When they miss, they rerack.
When they foul, they rerack.

Prove me wrong...

 

[SBC]

No

So when you try to get high runs in straight pool you start by firing at a full rack?

 

[Swighey]

What in the hell are you talking about? My high run is 55. My opponent missed part-way through a rack, I finished the rack and broke the next, and missed after 55 balls. You're suggesting the first few balls of my run don't count? WTF are you on?

Edit: Mosconi's run was also from a game situation, it did not start with a BIH break shot either, it started from the position his opponent left him, if I recall correctly. Are his first few balls suspect too?

Nobody is disputing your highest run. You are talking about match play. The case in point here is a "high run attempt" or "world record attempt".

 

[Swighey]

So when you try to get high runs in straight pool you start by firing at a full rack?

"High run attempts" start with the player breaking 15 racked balls as far as I understand things. I could be wrong and Schmidt, Shaw and the Guinness book of records might have agreed that you can set the balls however you like, but I doubt it.

 

[Mick]

Here is a reason why the run should NOT count after a foul. What prevents someone from a starting a high run attempt by blasting the opening rack to create a wide spread (such an 8-ball break), then purposely foul by intentionally toughing an OB, and then start the run? You're pretty much guaranteed a much easier initial 14 balls to start the run.

You go right ahead and start your run attempt with an 8-ball style break, and start scoring from your first pocketed ball. It would be totally legitimate in my opinion. The big challenge in straight pool is NOT found in the first rack.

 

[Mick]

"High run attempts" start with the player breaking 15 racked balls as far as I understand things. I could be wrong and Schmidt, Shaw and the Guinness book of records might have agreed that you can set the balls however you like, but I doubt it.

You are wrong. High run contests start with 14 racked, 1 object ball wherever you like, and BIH anywhere.

 

[SBC]

"High run attempts" start with the player breaking 15 racked balls as far as I understand things. I could be wrong and Schmidt, Shaw and the Guinness book of records might have agreed that you can set the balls however you like, but I doubt it.

In straight pool runs players set up a break ball taken from the tip of a full rack. Cueball can be placed anywhere.

 

[loggerhead12]

"High run attempts" start with the player breaking 15 racked balls as far as I understand things. I could be wrong and Schmidt, Shaw and the Guinness book of records might have agreed that you can set the balls however you like, but I doubt it.

This is how they start.

 

[SBC]

You go right ahead and start your run attempt with an 8-ball style break, and start scoring from your first pocketed ball. It would be totally legitimate in my opinion. The big challenge in straight pool is NOT found in the first rack.

Ludicrous

 

[derekdisco]

Q ball needs to be in the kitchen off of the break, Trust me guys, I promise that I've forgotten more about straight pool than you have forgotten.

 

[Mick]

Ludicrous

What is the difference between the 8-ball smash approach that you're mocking, and the traditional opening break shown in the video above? Essentially zero.

 

[Swighey]

You are wrong. High run contests start with 14 racked, 1 object ball wherever you like, and BIH anywhere.

I didn't realise this. If this is the case, and the way it's agreed, then the idea of re-starting a high run mid rack after a miss still makes no sense.

 

[Mick]

Q ball needs to be in the kitchen off of the break, Trust me guys, I promise that I've forgotten more about straight pool than you have forgotten.

Report that to all the high run contest organizers. The guys at the derby will be devastated that they've been doing it wrong all these years.

 

[SBC]

What is the difference between the 8-ball smash approach that you're mocking, and the traditional opening break shown in the video above? Essentially zero.

Do you even play pool?

 

[Swighey]

What is the difference between the 8-ball smash approach that you're mocking, and the traditional opening break shown in the video above? Essentially zero.

Agree with you here. There is nothing in the rules of straight pool that precludes smashing the break shot.

 

[loggerhead12]

What is the difference between the 8-ball smash approach that you're mocking, and the traditional opening break shown in the video above? Essentially zero.

The difference is that the break ball is positioned so it is makeable and at such an angle that the cue ball will go into the rack of 14 to break them up.

 

[SBC]

What is the difference between the 8-ball smash approach that you're mocking, and the traditional opening break shown in the video above? Essentially zero.

Get yourself a 5 gallon bucket and just throw the balls on the table each rack

 

[SBC]

Agree with you here. There is nothing in the rules of straight pool that precludes smashing the break shot.

Except it's called shot....so just call one.

 

[SBC]

Except it's called shot....so just call one.

BTW if you ever played straight pool...you love the guys who do this.

 

[Swighey]

Except it's called shot....so just call one.

I think something is lost in translation here. The point being made, I think, is that on the opening break of 14.1, you can break anyway you like even though anything other than a defensive break is a bad idea.

For high run attempts a more open break would be desirable. However, it appears that it is agreed that these attempts start with a traditional continuous rack break with cueball in hand. So it still seems perfectly reasonable to say that a high ball attempt cannot start mid rack.