RIP Joe, and my heartfelt condolences to his family and friends. I was lucky enough to meet him at the Riviera at the APA nationals back in 2000, and was impressed by just how nice he was, I have a 4x8 and several other of his cases and proudly own one of his cues. I bought both the cue and the 4x8 in Vegas at that time. (I needed the 4x8 to get the new cue home safely)