John and Lou, the plain truth

TATE

TATE

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This match happened because two guys shot off their mouths on the internet. Plain and simple. It is shameful behavior. A whole pack of people piled on too, which made it worse. There is nothing here to be proud of, nothing noble. Does either guy really seem like they can afford to gamble 10K or 20K on a pool match? Not to me they don't.

Furthermore, any of you so-called gamblers who respect someone for gambling their hard earned money, their family's savings or children's potential college fund on a pool game needs to seriously examine their values. There is a culture among gamblers that talks of respect for what is basically reckless, self-destructive behavior. Do we praise someone who falls down stinking drunk every night? Yet we praise someone who gambles large?

I gamble for entertainment, just enough to sweat. No harm in that. We are fathers, workers, employers, husbands. At some point, as mature men, we need to accept that our actions affect a lot of people who depend on us and act responsibly We shouldn't let our ego's dictate our actions. I watched the match and enjoyed it. But let's not forget why this match really took place.

The plain truth is, it was pitiful.
 
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TATE said:
This match happened because two guys shot off their mouths on the internet. Plain and simple. It is shameful behavior. A whole pack of people piled on too, which made it worse. There is nothing here to be proud of, nothing noble. Does either guy really seem like they can afford to gamble 10K or 20K on a pool match? Not to me they don't.

Furthermore, any of you so-called gamblers who respect someone for gambling their hard earned money, their family's savings or children's potential college fund on a pool game needs to seriously examine their values. There is a culture among gamblers that talks of respect for what is basically reckless, self-destructive behavior. Do we praise someone who falls down stinking drunk every night? Yet we praise someone who gambles large?

I gamble for entertainment, just enough to sweat. No harm in that. We are fathers, workers, employers, husbands. At some point, as mature men, we need to accept that our actions affect a lot of people who depend on us, and act responsibly We can't let our ego's dictate our actions. I watched the match and enjoyed it. But let's not forget why this match really took place.

The plain truth is, it was pitiful.
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I agree! That money could have been better put towards his daughters college fund, wedding & etc! The economic loss and the repercussions of the loss HURT his family and in that sense it is a sad and painful lesson for JOHN!!!

As much as he screams about protection, the man failed to protect his most valuable asset and that is his FAMILY! He let his ego write a check that his A$$ can't cover and it is time to play catch up! Less time on the AZB forum and more time in the shop trying to recover and lick his wounds. I hope JBCASES learns from this and is a softer and kinder member of the forum. I hate to see the carnage he generates in various flame threads. Maybe this time he will let sleeping dogs lay! If not this may be the first of many Humiliating defeats on the field of green for large sums of money!

KD
 
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Ugh.. these weren't two 20-somethings living in their apartments and throwing away all of their inheritance money. They're financially stable adults putting up cash for a match, including the fact that LF also had a backer(or more). People didn't pile on for lack of something better to do, there was a lot of emotional skin involved for many people.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
I agree! That money could have been better put towards his daughters college fund, wedding & etc! The economic loss and the repercussions of the loss HURT his family and in that sense it is a sad a painful lesson for JOHN!!!

As much as he screams about protection, the man failed to protect his most valuable asset and that is his FAMILY! He let his ego write a check that his A$$ can't cover and it is time to play catch up! Less time on the AZB forum and more time in the shop trying to recover and lick his wounds. I hope JBCASES learns from this and is a softer and kinder member of the forum. I hate to see the carnage he generates in various flame threads. Maybe this time he will let sleeping dogs lay! If not this may be the first of many Humiliating defeats on the field of green for large sums of money!

KD
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Way to be humble.
 
TATE, I've got mad respect for you, but you have to hand it to them, they ponied up and played.... whether they could afford it or not is none of my concern. John needs to pump a few more cases (won't be hard) and I hear Lou had a backer. My opinion is if they gambled something they couldn't afford to lose, doom on them. I don't think it's the case here. John was wise enough to admit he sunk money into his business and refused to up the bet. That's putting ego aside and reinforces your point.

Same with OMGWTF and CubC, in reality...

Either way, it was enjoyable to watch IMO, and both made some great moves and horrific mistakes, but that's what amateurs do.

<-- wouldn't bet $10k
rigmaster said:
John never had a chance! What was he thinking?
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I disagree. It was almost a one game difference except for one play on John's part that pushed it 8-6 instead of 7-7....
 
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TATE said:
This match happened because two guys shot off their mouths on the internet. Plain and simple. It is shameful behavior. A whole pack of people piled on too, which made it worse. There is nothing here to be proud of, nothing noble. Does either guy really seem like they can afford to gamble 10K or 20K on a pool match? Not to me they don't.

Furthermore, any of you so-called gamblers who respect someone for gambling their hard earned money, their family's savings or children's potential college fund on a pool game needs to seriously examine their values. There is a culture among gamblers that talks of respect for what is basically reckless, self-destructive behavior. Do we praise someone who falls down stinking drunk every night? Yet we praise someone who gambles large?

I gamble for entertainment, just enough to sweat. No harm in that. We are fathers, workers, employers, husbands. At some point, as mature men, we need to accept that our actions affect a lot of people who depend on us and act responsibly We shouldn't let our ego's dictate our actions. I watched the match and enjoyed it. But let's not forget why this match really took place.

The plain truth is, it was pitiful.
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Do you have some sort of insight into JB's finances that the rest of us don't? I know that he's been here stateside for quite a while now, traveling around the country and playing pool as well as having his booths at various events. The man must obviously be doing pretty good for himself to fly halfway around the world and travel for months at a time.

I don't know many people that losing $10k wouldn't leave somewhat of a dent on, but in the big scheme of things, it's not that much money. I lost $10k at the Derby, and I don't consider myself a "wealthy" man. Does it hurt to lose 10 dimes? Sure, but it's only a small fraction of my gambling bankroll. Something tells me that JB would feel the same way.
 
If you can afford it, then there is no problem.

I am not going to speculate John's financial means but if he can afford it and if it doesn't get away from what is important, then it is not a problem.

What I do find stupid is for him to give Lou 10k just to get validation from Lou. All he had to do was take the guy out for dinner and drinks. Instead of calling him out for 10k.
 
TATE said:
This match happened because two guys shot off their mouths on the internet. Plain and simple. It is shameful behavior. A whole pack of people piled on too, which made it worse. There is nothing here to be proud of, nothing noble. Does either guy really seem like they can afford to gamble 10K or 20K on a pool match? Not to me they don't.

Furthermore, any of you so-called gamblers who respect someone for gambling their hard earned money, their family's savings or children's potential college fund on a pool game needs to seriously examine their values. There is a culture among gamblers that talks of respect for what is basically reckless, self-destructive behavior. Do we praise someone who falls down stinking drunk every night? Yet we praise someone who gambles large?

I gamble for entertainment, just enough to sweat. No harm in that. We are fathers, workers, employers, husbands. At some point, as mature men, we need to accept that our actions affect a lot of people who depend on us and act responsibly We shouldn't let our ego's dictate our actions. I watched the match and enjoyed it. But let's not forget why this match really took place.

The plain truth is, it was pitiful.
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Tate,

John had a plan in place..
A retail price increase can help stop the bleeding.. :thumbup:
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http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=356684
 
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lol, it's not like they were playing for their lives. A guy lost $10K. That's really not a lot of money. I'm not rich by any means, but damn, you guys are acting like they played for 7 figures or something.
 
rezin8 said:
Do you have some sort of insight into JB's finances that the rest of us don't? I know that he's been here stateside for quite a while now, traveling around the country and playing pool as well as having his booths at various events. The man must obviously be doing pretty good for himself to fly halfway around the world and travel for months at a time.

I don't know many people that losing $10k wouldn't leave somewhat of a dent on, but in the big scheme of things, it's not that much money. I lost $10k at the Derby, and I don't consider myself a "wealthy" man. Does it hurt to lose 10 dimes? Sure, but it's only a small fraction of my gambling bankroll. Something tells me that JB would feel the same way.
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Yes to the average Bear it's a lot of money John may be many things ,,financially stupid I don't believe is one of them ,


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TATE said:
This match happened because two guys shot off their mouths on the internet. Plain and simple. It is shameful behavior. A whole pack of people piled on too, which made it worse. There is nothing here to be proud of, nothing noble. Does either guy really seem like they can afford to gamble 10K or 20K on a pool match? Not to me they don't.

Furthermore, any of you so-called gamblers who respect someone for gambling their hard earned money, their family's savings or children's potential college fund on a pool game needs to seriously examine their values. There is a culture among gamblers that talks of respect for what is basically reckless, self-destructive behavior. Do we praise someone who falls down stinking drunk every night? Yet we praise someone who gambles large?

I gamble for entertainment, just enough to sweat. No harm in that. We are fathers, workers, employers, husbands. At some point, as mature men, we need to accept that our actions affect a lot of people who depend on us and act responsibly We shouldn't let our ego's dictate our actions. I watched the match and enjoyed it. But let's not forget why this match really took place.

The plain truth is, it was pitiful.
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Can we get the violins to come in right about now, I guess I missed the part when they
voted your opinion as the correct one on how others should should spend their money.

I don't see where either of these gentleman have a gambling problem or are you
trying to say anyone that gambles bigger than you, has a problem.

That's what it appears to me, just put the soap box away here.
 
There is an upside to this for the loser of the set that you might not have considered Tate.

Before 2 days ago I haven't been on AZBilliards for quite awhile. I have no idea what transpired between these two guys, but I'm guessing it was some severe "peacocking" that led up to "put your money where your mouth is" situation..

Long story short, I haven't been on here in awhile, and before this deal I have never even heard of "JBCases." I enjoyed the live stream and the entertainment. I think for marketing purposes he couldn't have asked for more name recognition / exposure for his company then this set. (win or loss).

I am in the market for a new case and will be ordering something very soon.. I hadn't even started to consider what I wanted, but now I'm not considering any other case mfg other then JBCases. Something to think about.

DJ
 
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I agree with Tate, but I also just recently ordered a JB case. Who wouldn't want a case from the famous JB who lost $10000 in an internet-argument grudge match. :D
 
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