Josey 2001
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I have sold a few like that one and have sold them from $899-$1099 but that was about 8 months ago to a year ago. One had 3 shafts and in mint condition and the other with two and in good condition. Keith's cues are great but they are a little bit of a limited market with the gothic style of design. You just need to find the right buyer. If the inlays are ivory you may be looking a little bit more as mine seemed to be maple inlays...
I hope that helps and for the most part I agree with the Pookster...
I hope that helps and for the most part I agree with the Pookster...
Thanks for the reply, it has Ivory inlays, ebony in the cue and i believe the rings are silver.
I could have sworn I saw Tony at the US Open telling Jack Justis that this cue along with his Justis case was "stolen" from him. I could be wrong though, it was a long time ago. I wonder if Jack even remembers that conversation.
$4K might be what Keith thinks it's worth, but you will do very well to get more then 12-1400 for it.
Maybe Keith is willing to sell it for you on comission, if he would take 25% you're still coming out way ahead.
gr. Dave
My Josey is similar in look without the ivory. I was offered $2400 within the last 6 months. It is a 2011. Love it too much to sell it.
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Dave,
Keith doesn't THINK. He knows. He is one of the premier makers of cues and his work commands AND receives the "worth" he puts on them. YOU know YOUR market not Keith's. The resale market for most cues is different and has nothing to due with what a makers price is to make a cue and THAT is what it's worth. Don't confuse them.
I am not trying to disrespect Keith or the value of his cues. But buying cues and selling them with hopefully
some profit is what I have been doing profesionally for around 7 years.
In that time I have owned and sold (with some profit) several of Keith's cues aswell.
In that time I have also asked a number of cuemakers what they considered the value of a certain
cue of theirs was. With the exception of 1 I have always gotten numbers from them that are way
above current market value.
When someone asks me what I think a cue is worth the answer I give them is what I believe the
current market value to be. If they ask me what it would cost to have another built I tell them that.
Imo Lee asked the former and that is what I answered him. I could certainly be off, but by 300%? Nope.
gr. Dave
some profit is what I have been doing profesionally for around 7 years.
In that time I have owned and sold (with some profit) several of Keith's cues aswell.
In that time I have also asked a number of cuemakers what they considered the value of a certain
cue of theirs was. With the exception of 1 I have always gotten numbers from them that are way
above current market value.
When someone asks me what I think a cue is worth the answer I give them is what I believe the
current market value to be. If they ask me what it would cost to have another built I tell them that.
Imo Lee asked the former and that is what I answered him. I could certainly be off, but by 300%? Nope.
gr. Dave
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Dave, if you've been selling cues proffesionally for 7 years then you know selling can be like buying a house. LOCATION may matter most. The OP's cue will sell for a lot more in areas where Keith's work is known than where it isn't. Case in point, I have a very expensive cue made by a specific maker that a dealer in Colorado has been shopping for me and he can't even get an offer of HALF of another dealer close to the area the cue maker is from. Just because your "reach" may not be able to get a certain price doesn't mean your value is "gospel".. That's one of the reasons I shy away from "valuing" cues from current makers... Add to that those who just really like certain cues and know the differences between well made cues and not.
All good points, and I will concede them. Some cues defenitely bring more in some places and
that could well be true for Keith's cues, probably more so if Keith is selling the cue himself.
So, that brings us to what the definition of "worth" is in this case. Is it what Keith can get for the cue
if he has a couple months to sell it, or is it what Joe Bloe can get for the cue if he sells it on Ebay, AZ
or Facebook with only a couple days to get it sold?
gr. Dave
that could well be true for Keith's cues, probably more so if Keith is selling the cue himself.
So, that brings us to what the definition of "worth" is in this case. Is it what Keith can get for the cue
if he has a couple months to sell it, or is it what Joe Bloe can get for the cue if he sells it on Ebay, AZ
or Facebook with only a couple days to get it sold?
gr. Dave
A sale doesn't always determine worth. I understand your point. The current market state has a lot to do with it. That said think of cues like cars, if you want a new Porsche 911 your going to pay a certain amount. Drive that car for 10 years or just store it for that long and then go try and sell it. You won't get near what you paid. That's not to say what you bought wasn't worth it. Now buy a New Ferrari F12 Spyder with the same situation and that car may even increase in "value" over time. A maker is going to put a value on their cues based off of what it sold for from them. Not what an aftermarket private sale may bring...
I understand a few of the points a few of you are making on here, Keith was back and forth with me yesterday asking about the cue. I then found out this was the original blade cue, the very 1st one ever made of this kind. Due to the 2001 signature the ivory inlays and the mother of pearl shields, this cue was made for Tony Watson for $5500 and Keith valued it at around $4,000 possibly more due to the ivory.
So this cue is not just a josey blade but the actual one that inspired the other blades.
So this cue is not just a josey blade but the actual one that inspired the other blades.
I love Josey cues and this one is beautiful.
To really get a better idea of the value we'd have to know the condition of the cue as well as the size of the shafts. If that was Tony's cue for a few years it's pretty safe to say that there was a ton of play on it and I'm sure it has a couple dings or nicks here and there. Also the shafts look pretty clean so they might have been turned down a little.
Assuming it hasn't already been done I think the best way to increase the cues value would be to get Keith to refinish it and make a couple new shafts for it. Might cost you 4 or 500 bucks but it would sell for more than the investment and would be much more appealing to someone who would otherwise be turned off by spending money on a 14 year old cue with a decent amount of mileage on it. Again this is assuming the cue needs it.
To really get a better idea of the value we'd have to know the condition of the cue as well as the size of the shafts. If that was Tony's cue for a few years it's pretty safe to say that there was a ton of play on it and I'm sure it has a couple dings or nicks here and there. Also the shafts look pretty clean so they might have been turned down a little.
Assuming it hasn't already been done I think the best way to increase the cues value would be to get Keith to refinish it and make a couple new shafts for it. Might cost you 4 or 500 bucks but it would sell for more than the investment and would be much more appealing to someone who would otherwise be turned off by spending money on a 14 year old cue with a decent amount of mileage on it. Again this is assuming the cue needs it.
This cue has been around the block and then some. My roommate in Athens let Tony borrow $1000 against it back in '02 or somewhere thereabout and he never picked it up. I actually used it in a few money matches back in the day. It's crazy how often these cues travel around the pool world and resurface from time to time and the stories behind their travels.