JUMP CUE ISSUE SOLVED ?

JazzyJeff87

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Aiming is totally different when jumping. You can’t get down on the ball and line up like normal.
You’re going up in the air, when you need to put draw or spin on the ball for position that’s adding even more difficultly. If the ball you’re trying to hit is near a rail you may bounce off the table. Sometimes the balls are so close you have to get up and down insanely fast or try to land almost on top of the ball and judge for the over cutness.
There’s plenty that goes into making a good jump shot and it’s definitely an acquired skill wether or not you use a short cue to do it. I’ve never understood the hatred but I started playing like 7 years ago so it’s just part of the game to me.
 

fastone371

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I struggle to see why its not like golf (in the sense that you simply use the most appropriate tool for the job, whats the difference?), the bunker analogy is surely exactly the same as hooking yourself is it not?

I do agree with you that modern jump cues make jumping very easy, however modern equipment in all sports does that, its simply down to the players to increase their skill levels.

I think the proper golf analogy would be a golfer hooking himself behind a tree then grabbing a chainsaw and cutting the tree down. I don't think many golf organizations would approve of that but it is a good equivalent to a jump cue in pool.
 

David in FL

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You never understood because you don't see how easy it is. either that or probably you've bought an expensive jump cue and you jump pretty well and you think that you acquire a skill. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge the fact that it is easy and that's why you jump well, maybe just maybe you think that the reason why you jump is cause you're good at it? not the shorty. I'm speculating here obviously I don't know you, but these are the common reasons why one doesn't understand why ppl are asking for jump cues to be banned.
I don’t understand it because I recognize that both players can use the same equipment if they want.

If it’s that easy, nobody is stopping anyone from getting a jump cue and using it themselves. If someone wants to limit their opponent’s ability to do so, they should learn to play better safeties.
 

HawaiianEye

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Of course, but as I point out above, why is this okay:

Playing a bad shot in golf, ending up in a bunker and using a specialist tool to escape (a sand wedge)

But this is bad:

Playing a bad shot in pool, ending up hooked and using a specialist tool to escape (a jump cue)

I struggle to see it!

I think you may “struggle” when you play pool, so you need little toys to help you along.
 

HawaiianEye

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I just don't get the issue with jump cues.

If a golfer plays off the tee into a bunker, hits into another bunker with a sand wedge then manages to chip in again using the sand wedge you wouldn't want it banned, you'd say well done.

I don't see why its different....if people don't like their opponents jumping to escape from safeties, then play tighter safeties!

Golfers have caddies that they discuss shots with.

Can I have Earl Strickland as my caddie every match?
 

David in FL

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I think the proper golf analogy would be a golfer hooking himself behind a tree then grabbing a chainsaw and cutting the tree down. I don't think many golf organizations would approve of that but it is a good equivalent to a jump cue in pool.
Sorry, but no. The use of a jump cue doesn’t change the playing field. It’s just choosing a different piece of equipment to play the shot in a different manner.

I can, and have, played golf shots from nearly identical positions using as many as 6 or 7 different clubs depending on the unique, often subtle differing circumstances at the time.
 

MitchAlsup

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If someone hooks himself and plays bad position then he brings this silly shorty and just jump and makes it? He isn't penalize for playing a horrible position and then brings a short-cue which even a 13 yr old can use, and makes the ball?
He is (IS) penalized by getting himself into poor position--just like the golfer who gets onto the beach--you pick out a different club (jump cue) and play it as it lies.
How is that ok.
It is OK because he has mastered more than one playing instrument.
How would you like it if you were made to break with your play cue ??
 

MitchAlsup

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Here’s a novel idea, how about no jump cues, and no jump shots allowed anymore. Lean to play learn to kick from the rail alla Efren. I for one would not mind seeing this although I’m in the minority.
How about having to break and play with exactly 1 cue ??
 

garczar

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Let's ban break cues, also !!

Is anyone other than cue makers sponsoring pool events ?
Tables, cloth, balls, tips, racks, etc. To some extent just about every co.(sadly not B'wick anymore) involved spends some $$ on sponsoring events. I still think that just based on players i know the weed industry should get on-board. Not joking here. Think how many would show up for the 1st Annual Ganga Skunk Open???
 

smoochie

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Carl Biado just hit a horrible shot snookered himself behind the 6ball, what happened next? absolutely nothing, he came out smelling like roses with the shorty, absolutely no penalty. Nothing happened, just bring shorty and you're out and running again lol.

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David in FL

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Carl Biado just hit a horrible shot snookered himself behind the 6ball, what happened next? absolutely nothing, he came out smelling like roses with the shorty, absolutely no penalty. Nothing happened, just bring shorty and you're out and running again lol.

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In other words, he recovered from a poor shot by making a shot that was more difficult than it would’ve been had he not missed the shape.

Good for him.
 

buckshotshoey

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Maybe because it's completely different.
It's not different at all. I say we should ban all sand wedges. It makes it too easy for a player to get out of a trap. They should use their regular playing Club.
 
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boogieman

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So many issues!! I can't believe you're comparing golfer changing bats to the game pool. If someone hooks himself and plays bad position then he brings this silly shorty and just jump and makes it? He isn't penalize for playing a horrible position and then brings a short-cue which even a 13 yr old can use, and makes the ball? How is that ok.
If both players can do it, what's the issue? Sure it might take less skill than a good kick, but at least both players can use it. It prevents lazy safety play. That speeds up the game and also encourages better safeties. Lock em up tight enough that shorty can't bail them out.
 

fastone371

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How about having to break and play with exactly 1 cue ??
I do exactly that most of the time, I see no reason to use a break cue either.
When golfing, every "tool" is meant to loft the ball in the air until you put the ball on the green which is a different surface.
Sand traps are strategically placed in different areas around the course to create intentional hazards, just like water. Im sure when the game of golf was invented it was intended to be played in 3 dimensions. Pool on the other hand does not have any of these "intentional" hazards, only obstacles. When you accidentally put yourself behind one of these "obstacles" I think it should be a bigger penalty than just pulling out a specialty tool and changing the way the game is played to try to recover. I doubt the people who invented pool ever thought that someone would try to jump a clay ball off of a cloth covered piece of rock by hitting the cue ball in an unconventional way. There is no way that the jump shot in pool didnt start as an accident instead of an actual intended shot. I have and use a jump cue because my opponent likely has one and will use it against me. Even so I am probably more likely to kick than jump.
 

Swighey

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Okay, but then (to quote myself) as far as I can see it's conceptually the same, so humour me, why is it such a different event to playing a bad shot and using the most appropriate tool for the job?


Edit: Just to add, I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but I just don't see it, hence I'm curious why you feel the above isn't logical?
I don't understand your analogy. Golf courses are designed deliberately to have different types of surfaces - tee, fairway, rough, bunker, green. They are also undulating. In billiards, the cloth is smooth and uniform. Also in golf there are no "blocker" balls - you never end up "snookered" or "hooked" behind an opponents ball (you can actually temporarily remove it if it is really close and in the way). They are two very different games.

I'm not a proponent of banning jump cues, I use one myself because jump shots are allowed. I'm in favour of banning jump shots as, while it is a skill, I believe it detracts from the game overall.
 
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