Okay, I'll take a stab at explaining some of the
reasoning. After all, that's where I got my stances from. Reason and Logic, NOT faith. From my various conversations with religious leaders in my life, "faith" has come to mean belief in something, with no physical proof that the thing, whether it is an idea, physical, or non physical thing is true or exists.
Just so we know where I am coming from here. I live my life based on logic and reason, not what someone thinks I should have faith in.
mark tadd said:
but how is all this negative talk about the ipt helping . i understang the reason for all this now that the verdict is becoming more clearer . but that has just become clearer in the last week or less .
To energize people out there to take action before it is too late to go after Kevin Trudeau legally. Also, to hopefully educate people in a position to let qualifiers know what is going on with the IPT so they don't waste money trying to qualify before they know what crap KT is gonna pull.
what about months ago ? all negetive and doubt does is breed more of the same . pretty soon everyone including the ones that were positive are now negetive and chiming in and that just what naturaly happens .
There still seems to be IPT supporters, funnily enough. And most of the negativity started after KT didn't pay out for Reno. And as far as why SOME people had
cautionary (not negative, for the most part) things to say, as far that goes. They simply said they didn't see how KT was going to make money. That's not being negative. That's being realistic.
The general response was that Kevin was an angel investor, and he was not concerned with making a profit. After all, he said three years financing was locked up in advance, right? It's not our fault that Kevin was just trying to flip the IPT for a quick profit, and decided to lie to the fans and players about the financing.
And as someone else said, Kevin Trudeau is a convicted felon. In fact, there are many complaints currently outstanding against him for continuing to charge people's credit cards when they have attempted to cancel out of membership in NaturalCures,com. Also, he has charged the credit cards for services the customers did not order.
Face it. He is a bad dude. He is a criminal. He tells old people that calcium from a coral reef will cure their cancer, despite what the FDA says. You COULD look past all this, but let me ask you this, since you seem to be a spiritual man (Who was looking for action while on the road recently, right?), do you think even Jesus would trust this man? He is a predator who preys upon the old, infirm, and monetarily desperate masses.
i would think that you guys know that negativity, gossip , doubt , hearsay , joulesy , are enemies to the soul and mind and not friends .
Actually, I find this somewhat condescending. I have done the research on Kevin Trudeau, the man. Considering the man has a criminal past, and uses his skills as a salesman to prey upon the elderly, I view all his actions through that lense. This is not being negative, this is being
realistic. Please don't talk down to us about being negative until you have actually done your research on Kevin Trudeau. You seem to be a religious man, from some of your terminology, so I'll ask you a question: Do you think God would approve of you or anyone else associating with a person who robbed the elderly, simply for your own profit and/or personal goals? Assuming you didn't know, do you think God would approve of you criticizing others who have done their research? I think there are a few scriptures about not letting yourself be taken advantage of like this.
many great ideas , plans , relationships have been destroyed by these things . it would seem we would all have the same goal in mind and want pool to succeed . but it seems there are many on this forum could careless if it does and are more happy that their prediction that it would fail was right
Hmmm. You call it negativity, I call it realism. It's negativity when someone tells an entrepeneur he can't be a millionaire. It's realism when you tell your sister she shouldn't date a crack addict. And it's realism when someone tells you it might not be a good idea to trust a man with a felony record, and who sells snake oil for a living. Again, you are being condescending.
Rackmsuckr and many others were positive through the whole thing and got nothing but people ( not all but many ) being cynical , laughing and telling her how shollow their thinking is geez . imagine that pool players hoping the ipt fails.
First of all, please repost the post where someone said they hoped the IPT fails. PLEASE. I'd really like to see that post. Also, the people being negative without supporting their view with reasoning, are generally those who are combative about everything. You can't hold them against us as a group, just because you have only been on the forum monitoring the IPT goings on.
the reason the ipt players (and i mean the real players the ones that really love the game) didnt say anything negative before is because they wanted it to succeed and in their heart believed it would and mabye some still do including myself and rightly so.
Oh come on... Really now. Seriously.. You CAN'T buy this. You and I both know deep down the reason why the players are keeping their silence is because they don't want to jeopardize their chances of either getting paid from Reno, or being an IPT memeber in 2007, if by some remote chance their is a 2007. They know KT can be vindictive, evidenced by his derogatory remarks about the players in the last Billiard's Digest article..
And who are you to say that the ones who kept silent believed the IPT would succeed after the Reno prize fund did not get paid? Did you interview all the players? One on one, so noone could report what they said back to Deno or KT? Just curious what your basis for the above statement is?
why would we want the people outside of pool to think negative about pool especialy now .
You don't have to worry about it. Noone outside of professional pool knows or cares that it exists. I love the game too, but that's just the way it is in today's world, sadly.
And just to sum up, please know that I am just trying to point out that some people on here have done a LOT of research into Kevin Trudeau's business practices, and the manner in which his other businesses operated or failed. Until you look into the man's history, you have absolutely no right to criticize them for making well-informed observations about the potential for success of the IPT.
They are looking at it from a business perspective, while you are emotionally involved in the endeavor. The players at first
had to believe that it was all going to turn out right,
despite the man's history. The minute Kevin Trudeau started making excuses for the Reno prize fund not being paid, it was time to start protecting themselves.
Fact: There has been no press release that says Stanley Ho is buying the IPT.
Fact: Kevin Trudeau is a convicted felon.
Fact: He promises funding was in place for three years.
Fact: Players have not been paid for Reno. See funding promise above.
After Kevin got caught in the first lie or two, that was all the realists needed to confirm that KT was the slimeball we always thought he was.
Russ
